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The original was posted on /r/ufos by /u/OnceReturned on 2024-10-16 03:02:19+00:00.
Original Title: Immaculate Constellation is an information gathering and crash retrieval program, but it's only seven years old. Do we have any reason to believe that they've even had any cash retrievals in that time? Seems like an important question.
My understanding of Immaculate Constellation is that it's an information gathering and crash retrieval program. I believe the original Shellenberger article says something like "UAP and ARV collections and transfer."
The information gathering part means collecting sensor data (video, still images, radar, other spectra, etc.) and witness reports.
The crash retrieval part seems self explanatory (if that's actually part of it; "collections and retrieval" may refer only to intelligence/information). However, based on what we know, they may farm out the actual physical activity of going and getting the thing to the CIA's Office of Global Access and/or other JSOC (and/or contractor?) assets.
There's probably another part where they distribute the retrieved materials and corresponding information to an (as yet unnamed) reverse engineering program, or programs, likely housed within defense contractors (see Wilson Davis memo and others).
It's only seven years old. Do you think they've even had any crash retrievals in that time? It's not long. They might not have.
There was a post in the past couple days where Nick Pope said that the only two remaining questions were "what agency is the program under" and "who runs it?" I would say this is a third important question, if we're trying to chase this whole thing down: have they actually engaged in any crash retrievals since their inception in 2017?
Thinking about this, it becomes obvious that the elephant in the room is, who is actually receiving recovered materials and what is the government program that is in change of that? Was that reset/renamed in 2017, like Immaculate Constellation? If it was, what was the ancestral program? For that matter, what was the Immaculate Constellation predecessor that existed prior to 2017 (because it was definitely something)?
Honestly, I'm not sure that sensor data and witness reports are enough to move the needle anymore. We want the goods; the physical evidence. That will live under another program. What's that one called? What agency is it under? Who runs it?