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[–] Okami_No_Rei@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

"Sometimes the things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe in the most.

That people are basically good; that honor, courage, and virtue mean everything; that power and money, money and power mean nothing; that good always triumphs over evil; and I want you to remember this, that love... true love never dies.

You remember that, boy. You remember that. Doesn't matter if it's true or not.

You see, a man should believe in those things, because those are the things worth believing in."

  • Hub, Secondhand Lions (2003)
[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Most of my moral convictions aren't provable because the most basic ideas are simply axioms. "You should be a good person" cannot be justified in a way that's non-circular, and defining "good" is also similarly arbitrary. The only true "evidence" is that people tend to agree on vague definitions in theory. Which is certainly a good thing, imo, but it's not actually provable that what we consider "good" is actually the correct way to act.

I have started creating a moral framework, though. I've been identifying and classifying particular behaviors and organizing them in a hierarchy. So far it's going pretty well. At least my arbitrariness can be well-defined!

[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 2 points 25 minutes ago* (last edited 24 minutes ago) (1 children)

I think it is easy enough to argue without making it circular. As for "good", I don't think an objective absolute and universal definition is necessary.

The argument would be to consider it an optimization problem, and the interesting part, what the fitness function is. If we want to maximise happiness and freedom, any pair of people is transient. If it matters that they be kind to you, it is the exact same reasoning for why you should be to kind to them. Kinda like the "do unto others", except less prone to a masochist going around hurting people.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 points 22 minutes ago* (last edited 21 minutes ago)

If we want to maximise happiness and freedom

But that's what I'm saying, that choice is axiomatic. I think most people would agree, but it's a belief, not an unquestionable truth. You're choosing something to optimize and defining that to be good.

If it matters that they be kind to you, it is the exact same reasoning for why you should be to kind to them

Only if you believe that everyone fundamentally deserves the same treatment. It's easy to overlook an axiom like that because it seems so obvious, but it is something that we have chosen to believe.

[–] Pyflixia@kbin.melroy.org 7 points 8 hours ago

When we die, we're recycled. There's no Heaven, Hell, Rainbow Bridge, Valhalla .etc Because those are man-made constructs to give people a sense of belonging based on what you did in life. Someone talked to me about the Egg Theory and while I have a bit of skepticism towards it, I do understand a plausibility about it.

And if anything from the Egg Theory is true, then cool, I'd love nothing more than to be recycled and born into a life from the past to live it out again.

[–] Gobbel2000@programming.dev 11 points 10 hours ago

That P != NP.

[–] zxqwas@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

That I'd be a fool to strongly hold a belief without equally strong evidence.

[–] faultypidgeon@programming.dev 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Did this man just call himself a fool?

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

Everyones a fool and knows nothing :)

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago

The Pizzagate conspiracy was created to cover up any media coverage of the police reports from the early 90s when Trump was hanging with Epstein and dumping 'used' underage girls at a pizza parlor the next morning.

[–] kalkulat@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Either greed or religion has killed the most people before their time. One of them has to go.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

That might be provable

[–] coaxil@lemm.ee 6 points 9 hours ago

Can we get rid of both?

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Bigfoot is real. Sasquatch, abominable snowmen, yeti have been spotted all over the globe. Coincidence?

[–] cmoney@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (18 children)

I believe that life as we know it exists somewhere else in the universe .

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[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 30 points 1 day ago (8 children)

When I started working decades ago, we were taught how to use bent bits of fence wire to find underground pipes before digging

I literally found scores of pipes that way, and saw dozens of other people do it regularly. It was even taught at a local agricultural college as part of the horticulture course

Then someone told me it was a myth and doesn't work, so I set up a blind test with a hidden bucket of water and I utterly failed to find it

I simply cannot explain this

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Clearly it only works if you believe ;)

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[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 7 points 21 hours ago (8 children)
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[–] randomdeadguy@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (18 children)
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[–] OutOfMemory@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago (11 children)

That global democratic socialism can work. Currently the only states successful in implementing it are oil-rich nordic countries, and I want to believe it can work elsewhere but it'll be hard to prove.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

I think the problem is that no system that gives equal weight to everyone's opinions can survive a population that does not have a majority of good opinions. And if the populace does agree on most things, then it doesn't matter much what system is being used. The best the system can do is incentivise certain behaviors.

[–] dragonfucker 6 points 17 hours ago

No, Norway is social democracy.

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[–] Acamon@lemmy.world 9 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Inductive reasoning. I don't have any non-circular reason to believe that previous experience should predict future events. But I'm gonna believe it anyway.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

That's... huh. Yeah I guess you're right

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I believe that the reason why so many people are going crazy in America at least is because they are approaching the end of their life and they have been told the whole time they've been alive that they would be living through the end of times, and if it becomes true then their lives have not been wasted but if it is not true or if it doesn't happen until after they die then their lives have been wasted and it's driving them crazy.

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