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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 28 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I remember hoping that Obama would prosecute Bush for all of his crimes, in hindsight it was really naive.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 26 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

We JuSt NeEd To MoVe On AnD hEal As A nAtIoN!

.... /Vomit

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

Bush was mostly lawful evil. Trump is just a Captain Planet villain.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Is lying about "weapons of mass destruction" in order to convince the country to invade another so the dickbag trio could get more wealthy legal? Cheney, Rumsfield and Bush agree I guess.

Free speech and all would make lying legal, so I guess you're right... Lawful evil it is then :/

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Trump is just a Captain Planet villain cosplayer.

FTFY.

Trump is simply not competent enough and never has been.

[–] smeenz 1 points 1 hour ago

Some of the people who support him are, but they don't (yet) have the power to implement it.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

He's the fanfic child of Hoggish Greedly and Looten Plunder.

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world -1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Bush wasn’t evil. He was a good man but in over his head. His entire cabinet was evil men that knew exactly what they were doing and they largely called all the shots

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 48 minutes ago (1 children)

Why are you doing Bush apologia? He's the one who appointed all those evil men and let them do evil stuff, which he did because he's evil.

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 0 points 46 minutes ago (1 children)

Because he was a puppet for his father. Blaming Bush for Cheneys actions does nothing but absolve Cheney and the other war criminals in his cabinet.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 41 minutes ago

That's like saying that you can't hold Hitler responsible for war crimes or you're just absolving Goebbels. Bush, Cheney, and all the rest of them are all war criminals who deserve the most severe legal punishment there is.

[–] bcgm3@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

Right? I hate that phrase as it's used here. How are we supposed to move on when national traumas are left unresolved?

[–] Glitterbomb@lemmy.world 50 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

The third political party in the US should be The Woodchipper. You don't vote for candidates, just The Woodchipper. If The Woodchipper gets the majority of votes, all the candidates on the ticket get tossed in a fucking woodchipper and we start the election over with new candidates.

This fixes our problems, in a uniquely American way.

[–] FrowingFostek@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

Televise this, just as Carlin intended.

[–] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 1 points 3 hours ago

This is, indeed, a more realistic solution for America than, let's say, let the president have less power. Or getting rid of the electoral college.

[–] Huckledebuck@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Who gets to throw them in?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 45 minutes ago

A lottery is the only fair system

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 19 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)
[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 4 points 5 hours ago

They're still bitter about Groundhog Day. I say, let them have it.

[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 21 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

I don't want Trump to win because he's more likely to create a "presidential crimes commission" full of political appointees going after the other party.

We have the legal system, if there are crimes they should be charged. The answer is not some additional political tribunal.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Judge shopping and legislation via court ruling have called into question the fairness and legitimacy of a once ironclad judicial system. It's being gamed right now by the wealthy and powerful to get what they want.

[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago

Then the answer is fixing those issues. Saying the system isn't working so we need to ignore it and build out a new system purpose built to prosecute my political opponents is like definitional fascism. We don't need a strong man to fix everything extrajudicially, we just need the law applied fairly.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago

We have the legal system

I mean...do we?

[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 11 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Ha ha ha ha your legal system is the laughing stock of the planet

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago

glances at Europe

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 9 hours ago

Creating a Department dedicated entirely to Justice.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

If we can't even get Trump to stop running despite being a convicted felon, I don't even know if we can catch up with the next fucker. Dude could literally shoot someone on 5th Ave and the government would go "Well, they're the president, what are you going to do about it?"

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

If they don't remove presidential immunity during the next president's term in office we'll be sitting on a time bomb of WHEN, not IF, a president uses that immunity to destroy our democracy.

I mean, I know we're probably all well aware that this is exactly why the immunity ruling was made and it makes it all the more dire that it be rectified and codified in unambiguously worded law as soon as possible.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Having convicted felon be able to run for office is a good thing. I don't want a Navalny situation in my country.

An insurrectionist, though? Fuck that noise. Trump should be hanged. He tried to violently overthrow the government.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 3 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Didn't he directly say he could shoot someone and still win the (2016) election? I swear I remember seeing that he flat out said that, I think around the time of the Republican primary debates

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago

He did, he just didnt do it. I'm saying that the next dude will and the government of "law and order" won't go after him.

[–] Talisker@lemmy.world 7 points 11 hours ago

Haha yeah the government that’s currently enabling war crimes is gonna totally make a commission to hold presidents liable for crimes.

This is why nothing changes. If you start looking at one of them you have to look at all of them.

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