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What are your thoughts on the Lemmy ecosystem?

I've been trying it out for the last week. I have my own opinions, but I'd like to hear others and see if we have common ideas on what is good/bad/indifferent about the Lemmy ecosystem.

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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 20 points 1 hour ago

Yes for me it’s absolutely a viable alternative. It’s still small and that has pros and cons. The overall quality of discourse is high because it’s a fairly hip crowd that has found Lemmy and joined. Feels more like the early days of the social web, before social media shat the bed. But being small has cons too. Some communities just aren’t here, and a lot of the ones here are small and less active. But there’s absolutely a viable base here that can grow over time. I’m glad that the internet figured this out because we were too dependent on Reddit before - it had totally consumed all concepts of online community and that was okay before the enshittification got into high gear. Lemmy from its inception is structurally designed not to go down that path. So spend time here. Share it. Help it grow. Start a niche sub and feed it.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 7 points 38 minutes ago (2 children)

No. Reddit has a userbase that allows it to be all things to everyone.

Lemmy has a userbase that allows it to be a pretty good linux disscussion forum.

Once you venture away from technology, its crickets. There's a community here specifically for the Cleveland Guardians. It's dead quiet. The Guardians are even in the ALDS right now......granted they're down 0-2 in the best of 7 series......but the ONLY post since they started the playoffs, is me asking why the community was so dead. That topic has 0 replies despite being posted days ago. On reddit, I wouldn't have even needed to make that post, because there would be topics on almost every minute thing the Guardians have done right, and wrong, since the playoffs began.

And then I'd get heckled for saying that Ketchup is the hot dog derby champion. Now and forever! But on here? Nothin.......

[–] Plum@lemmy.world 4 points 14 minutes ago (1 children)

Start posting updates for your team. Even if it's lonely talking to an empty room. Try to post a couple times a week with news or trivia or.... old players new restaurants or whatever they do when they retire. We're so little here that we can't afford to lurk. Be the content you want to see.

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 minutes ago

Or post to the sports community rather than a specific team

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 minutes ago

It seems to be sport dependent, I just opened !cfb@fanaticus.social and stumbled upon a 120 comments thread from 5 days ago: https://fanaticus.social/post/4293058

You can probably post about this on !mlb@lemmy.ml, it seems the most active baseball community.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 10 points 52 minutes ago (1 children)

Less niche topics, but higher quality content

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 minutes ago

And whoa man is that a bigger deal that I realized. I still comment and snoop on Reddit infrequently but I'm active here. Less trolls. Minimal bots. Lots of high quality comments.

Yes I miss the niche at times but honestly? This is home now.

[–] Kryptonidas@lemmy.wtf 6 points 48 minutes ago

Yeah on Reddit at this point it feels to me by bots for bots. Maybe the bots here are just better but it feels more human.

[–] FrankLaskey@lemmy.ml 141 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

As a ‘front page of the internet’ it has been a pretty great replacement for me as it’s where I go each day to just see what’s going on. However, due to the smaller size you do lose a lot of the activity in more niche communities and the sheer volume of posts/comments compared to Reddit. That’s the biggest downside. Still, you also lose the incessant ads/bad UI/UX decisions and ever accelerating late stage capitalism driven enshittification so that’s a big plus.

[–] Carnelian@lemmy.world 60 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, I love it and actually prefer it to my old reddit experience for general browsing.

What isn’t quite there yet is the ability to like, sit down all day and scroll and post in a community dedicated to my current hyperfixation of the week. Be it guitar maintenance, some indie game, or whatever.

But reddit also didn’t have that when I started using it. Excited to hang here and watch the garden grow

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 20 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

But reddit also didn’t have that when I started using it.

reddit also didn't have to compete with reddit.

[–] gdog05@lemmy.world 26 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

No but it was competing with Digg and Slashdot until Digg screwed the pooch. It's been a while, but reddit really owes its size and popularity to Digg 2.0 and the fiasco of bad decisions driven by investors.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago

I'm talking mostly about the vibrant niche communities the comment above mentioned. That all happened well after the Digg and slashdot stuff. Niche communities grew on reddit relatively unchallenged.

Sure, reddit could have a similar meltdown to Digg, but I don't think it's a forgone conclusion. Social media has inertia. The bigger a platform is is the harder it is to lose people, because the mass is the feature.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 9 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Wasn't reddit competing with Digg, or whatever else was popular at the time?

[–] Plum@lemmy.world 8 points 2 hours ago

I came to reddit from fark, before the digg migration or exodus or whatnot. There was also stumbleupon, and the others are all lost to me.

[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 9 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

"can't scroll all day"

I keep saying that's a positive thing for other productivity, but sadly, that's not happening for me. Turns out, I want to sit and bum just as much as I always did before. I'm more likely to actually read articles, but I know meta gets more screen time now. As you said, lemmy doesn't have those full niche communities. I know, sacrilege to admit around here.

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I know, sacrilege to admit around here.

It's not, but we also try to promote active communities to a wider audience on !newcommunities@lemmy.world

[–] lemmonaut@lemmy.world 1 points 35 minutes ago (1 children)

Is there also something like m.lemmy.world/posts/lemmy.world/c/upcomingcommunities ?

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 minutes ago

!trendingcommunities@feddit.nl

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[–] Mihies@programming.dev 2 points 58 minutes ago

Mostly agree with what others said, it's fine for me.

Perhaps just a subjective opinion that isn't bound to technology - I find moderators much more trigger happy when it comes to deletion and even banning.

[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 points 41 minutes ago* (last edited 38 minutes ago)

For help on current topics, like how certain things work in a newly released game, I check https://old.reddit.com/ without an account to see what they have.

For doomscrolling/visiting niche themed subs?
Lemmy works equally fine, and with a clearer conscience to boot.

EDIT That said, I do sometimes miss certain hobby subs, such as a Tekken or Toki Pona community.
There aren't any active ones last time I checked.

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 60 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (3 children)

Welcome here!

Copy pasting from a recent thread on /r/RedditAlternatives trying to address usual criticism against Lemmy.

Federation is confusing, people want a single website they can go to

Email has been working on a federation model for decades. People have to remember if they use Gmail or Outlook, but that's it. It's similar here.

Several communities have the same name, it's confusing, active communities are hard to find

Reddit has a similar issue: you have /r/games as the main gaming community, but there is also /r/Gaming, /r/videogames /r/gamers, etc.

How does someone know what the main community is, whatever the platform? Looking at the number of subscribers and active members.

There was the example of beekeeping: if you search for that topic, the most active one is definitely https://mander.xyz/c/beekeeping with 97 users per month.

The others have barely 1 user: https://lemmyverse.net/communities?query=beekeeping

To find active communities: https://lemm.ee/c/newcommunities@lemmy.world. There are regular threads with active communities on topic such as gardening, movies, board games, anime, science, etc.

Who is going to pay for the server costs?

Here is a link to this question to Lemmy admins: https://lemm.ee/post/41577902

Summary of the answers:

  • lowest number so far: lemmy.ml with 0.03€ per user per month
  • a few others (feddit.uk, lemmy.zip) have around 0.11$ per user per month
  • some instances are running on infrastructure that the admins would be anyway, so it's virtually "free"

Most of the instances costs are paid using donations. They regularly post financial updates such as this one: https://lemm.ee/post/41235568

Obviously there is a sweet stop where you can minimize the cost by having the maximum number of users on a fixed infrastructure cost.

If you want to have a look at the number of monthly active user (the "MAU" column): https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy/

Anyway, $ per user is usually meaningless because most of the servers are small enough to be hosted on some random cheap server - adding more users doesn't cost more because they are still well below server capacity. Only the biggest servers have to worry about $ per user.

I had posted this earlier this week on this thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/1fiuuo5/how_much_does_it_cost_per_user_to_host_a_lemmy/

There is too much political content

You can block entire servers and specific communities.

Instances to block to avoid political content

Communities to block

With those blocked, you are avoiding 95% of the political content. There might be a few other communities that pop up, but blocking them is still one click away.

Lemmy is developped by hardcore tankies and I don't want to use their software

As Lemmy is federated using an open protocol, there are other options to connect to the communities without using Lemmy itself.

The first one is Piefed: https://piefed.social/c/newcommunities@lemmy.world

The other one is Mbin: https://fedia.io/m/newcommunities@lemmy.world

However, those are stil a bit less mature than Lemmy, so for instance if you want to use mobile apps a lot, Lemmy is a better choice.

On top of that, every Lemmy server is managed by different people. You can see regular criticism of lemmy.ml (the instance managed by the Lemmy devs) on threads such as this: https://lemm.ee/post/33872586 or even dedicated communities like https://lemm.ee/c/meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works

That shows that even the Lemmy devs are not protected from criticism.

There isn't enough people

Lemmy has 46k monthly active users (https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats) (Mbin and Piefed have around 800 each). Active user is someone who voted, posted or commented.

In comparison, Discuit, which was praised during the API shutdown as "easier to use as it's centralized" has 234 active users: https://discuit.net/DiscuitMeta/post/KdiI1akq. Not 234k, 234 total.

For obvious reasons, the activity is not going to match Reddit levels, and niche communities aren't there.

But it's not an all or nothing situation. Most people on Lemmy still use Reddit for their niche communities, but are also active on Lemmy. And some niche communities are getting more active on lemmy. https://lemm.ee/c/newcommunities@lemmy.world (!newcommunities@lemmy.world ) promotes them.

Also, having less people provides better interactions, as your comments are less likely to get buried in thousands of others. And bots on Lemmy are quickly spotted and banned, while Reddit doesn't seem to do much about that: https://old.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/comments/1fmcelm/askreddit_is_simply_over_run_with_bots/

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 1 points 21 minutes ago* (last edited 14 minutes ago)

Why are you actively against lemmy.world?

On Reddit you list several alternative instances, and you somehow left us out.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 11 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Lemmy is developped by hardcore tankies and I don’t want to use their software

I think the main point about this is that, so far, the development has been completely politically neutral and developers have in no way interfered with any instance having other political opinions.
So they have been more neutral than Reddit developers even if they are public about their tankies ideas on their personal publications.
Furthermore, it's open source, so it could be forked any time if needed, unlike Reddit.

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago

I agree with you, that's just a point I've seen raised quite a few times in the past, in a similar way to https://old.lemmy.sdf.org/post/17733

There was an infamous post by feditips against Lemmy, but it seems to have been removed

[–] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Because everyone at this point uses Gmail, I prefer to use phone networks as my analogy go to, as usually most people know others with a different carrier

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 hours ago

Outlook is still strong, especially for companies using Microsoft, but indeed phone carriers work too.

Best I've found, but definitely suffers from lack of network effect

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Good:

  • I can use it for mobile without a first party app.

Bad

  • There aren't as many communities here as there were on Reddit.
  • There isn't that much content as on Reddit. Also, while the meme ratio of content feels the same to Reddit, the non-meme Lemmy content is rather small.
  • Comment conversation seems lacking.
  • Moderation tools are rather limited and heavily dependent on defederation to function.
  • The idea of "start your own" mindset in the design makes community formation just as bad as Reddit. There doesn't seem to be any tools for a more collaborative approach to running subs or instances.
[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 hour ago

the non-meme Lemmy content is rather small.

Did you have a look at the active communities promoted on !newcommunities@lemmy.world ?

Comment conversation seems lacking.

Depends on the topic:

The idea of “start your own” mindset in the design makes community formation just as bad as Reddit. There doesn’t seem to be any tools for a more collaborative approach to running subs or instances.

!fedigrow@lemm.ee

[–] Coasting0942@reddthat.com 19 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

It’s feels to me like how the ancient redditors said reddit worked.

Some servers come closer to reddit like world which copied all the popular subs.

Others are definitely smaller communities, maybe a post or two a day and plenty of discussion.

I feel great about it all so far.

[–] illi@lemm.ee 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Definitely feels more like reddit used to feel - though with caveats.

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[–] Pyflixia@kbin.melroy.org 14 points 3 hours ago

If you're looking for hundreds of microcommunities, lots of activity by the hour from anyone or anything .etc then Lemmy is not going to do it for you. We're a year in and Lemmy's userbase is basically a piss of a squirt to Reddit's volume. And that could get at you if you're someone that just needs something to read or want some interactivity whereas Lemmy is just more of a stop and then go kind of approach.

[–] Kaput@lemmy.world 17 points 3 hours ago

Been on Lemmy a few months now and it feels like moving from shitty Digg to fresh Reddit. I had canceled my account on Reddit even before the last enshitification, and kept just reading. Lemmy feels good enough to participate in posting and commenting. Small is good.

[–] snack_pack_rodriguez@lemmy.ca 22 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I would say no to me it's more like IRC. Its small enough to be not noticed by influence operations as much and each instance has its own personality just like IRC networks. It's a great mix of local community and access to a wider view points.

[–] Pistcow@lemm.ee 8 points 3 hours ago

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"Too the moon with this new crypto scam!!!"

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

It feels like a more-manageable, more-personal, bite-sized version of Reddit. It scratches the itch, but I spend less time here overall than I used to on Reddit.

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 11 points 3 hours ago

It reminds me a lot of Reddit in the first few years.

I initially joined Reddit because Aaron Swartz’s involvement convinced me it wasn’t going to go the route of other corporate social platforms, but I think Swartz would have been far more at home on Lemmy.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago

It depends on your tastes. It's effective for me as I enjoy quite a bit of the popular content here (like Linux stuff), but we need far more activity for other topics.

[–] Omgboom@lemmy.zip 12 points 3 hours ago

This biggest thing that helped me was putting the app icon in the same spot on my phone as my old reddit app

[–] rudyharrelson@lemmy.radio 8 points 3 hours ago

In terms of design, I find Lemmy to be basically a 1:1 replacement for Reddit. It's a link aggregator with communities, comments, and voting.

I like it a lot, even though the communities are smaller and there's less content. It's just a nicer communal experience for me compared to Reddit. I feel more pressure to actually comment since the communities are smaller and every little bit helps, lol.

[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago

Lemmy is fine, but less busy than reddit.

There's the complete absence of u/spez being a cunt, so you have to adjust to the idea of your experience not being constantly downgraded.

[–] zcd@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

I switched from Reddit to Lemmy cold turkey, not willing to put up with that user hostile enshitification shiticane reddit was going through. There are a few communities that I really miss (/r/weightroom) but new Lemmy things (/c/tenforward) that give me joy. The Internet is getting pretty shitty but Lemmy is a great small corner of it that's resistant to much of that fuckery

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 hours ago

/r/weightroom

There is !fitness@lemmy.world, but it could be more active indeed

[–] AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

Similar, just smaller. It keeps me from going on Reddit but tbh, I would be back there in a second if I didn't have to use their app or use the browser.

[–] WheelcharArtist@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

i like the fact that it is not karma driven. like vote on me like you want i don't look at my karma and care at all how people react

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