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a sobering milestone for both the next Congress and whoever wins the presidency in November."

yeah except whenever a conservative wins the office, talk of the debt goes out the fucking window so they can lower corporate taxes.

the debt only seems to matter if we want to help human beings by raising taxes and lowering production of human killing devices/services

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 54 points 2 days ago (1 children)

OBVIOUSLY if we spend LESS on US and more on Billionaires we can Balance that Budget!

[–] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

If we make sure that billionaires can keep more of their billions, then surely some of their billions will trickle down to the very same destination that taxing them in the first place would have ensured that it would end up at. It's actually smarter that way because it's an investment that accrues interest and they will also employ people who otherwise would've been suckling on the teat of big government social programs. Billionaires actually are paying more money into our systems by being job creators than if they were taxed like the middle class are.

Just kidding. Can you imagine actually believing bullshit like that? Fuck, that kinda made my stomach churn to even pretend to believe in.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The Center Square, formerly Watchdog.org, is a conservative American news website that features reporting on state and local governments.[1][2] It is a project of the Franklin News Foundation, a conservative online news organization.[1][3] The Center Square distributes its content through a newswire service.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Center_Square

Remember when Dick Cheney said deficits don't matter? I sure do.

[–] athairmor@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Deficits only matter to Republicans when there’s an election. They know it’s not a problem. They also know that the average working and middle-class voter here’s “debt” and gets scared. Scared people are more likely to vote Republican.

[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

In fiscal year 2024, the U.S. government spent nearly $900 billion on interest on the debt alone.

"That's more than we spent on national defense, Medicare, and children at the federal level – just a truly astounding figure," MacGuineas said. "The national debt is on track to reach a record share of the economy in just two years, a sobering milestone for both the next Congress and whoever wins the presidency in November."

Insanity

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 30 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Sounds like it's time to elect some Democrats. They always bring the budget in line, and are the only party in a quarter century to run a surplus.

[–] ryan213@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

That's worse than my credit card interest rate.

[–] cogitase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 days ago

Federal Reserve Economic Data shows debt:GDP holding at 120% since spiking during the pandemic.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

This is actually great news. The national debt went down last year. I mean, just based on those headline numbers, the national debt is smaller than it was before.

The nominal debt grew by 5% according to those numbers. Meanwhile, in that same period, US GDP nominal GDP grew at about 6% over the last year.

The raw number for national debt is meaningless. Only brain-dead morons care give a single fuck about the raw number. The raw number is for illiterate yokels who are scared of big maths in the way a caveman is scared of "fire! hot!"

For those who aren't brain-dead hicks, the only figure that matters is national debt as a share of GDP. That shows whether our debt load is increasing or decreasing in proportion to our economy. And over the last year, the value of the debt as a share of GDP went DOWN. We could sustain a $1.8 trillion deficit literally forever.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 8 points 2 days ago

Deficit spending puts more money in the economy than it takes out, too bad most of it is going to the already wealthy

[–] Gingerlegs@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Remember when it was 7 trillion? Pepperidge farm remembers

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

All that brouhaha when it was 9 trillion about having to add another digit to the National Debt Clock, and then they casually quadrupled the debt in a couple of decades.

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The way the fed lends money to the US we will mathmatecially always have more debt than we have currency. What happens to this system when growth functionally stops since our planet has a finite number of resourcs? We need something better relatively soon or we're going to chase the dragon off a cliff.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 4 points 2 days ago

Growth doesn't matter as long as people still treat the currency like it has value. Most of that debt is owed the the people of the United States, and as long as the US govt continues to pay interest on T bonds and make Social Security payments people will continue to have confidence in the system.

Take a look at Japan as a more advanced example of this, with a larger debt as a percentage of GDP than the US and still maintainjng a sustainable economy despite population shrinkage

[–] workerONE@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Every year the Treasury issues bonds in the amount of the trade deficit to balance out the goods and services exported vs imported. Those bonds are debt that the federal government owes. The money received for the bonds is accounted for but is essentially deleted from the economy... The federal government creates money when it spends, it does not need the money it collects from bonds. We could stop creating this debt every year but they believe that balancing out imported vs exported is important for some reason.

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Who are they in debt to and who are they paying interest to?

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago

Everyone. National debt is basically from issuing Treasury bonds. You buy one with a fixed term, and when that time comes, the government pays you back that amount with interest.

For reliable countries like the US, this is great. Historically, the US has been very good at paying its debts, so buying T-bills is a reliable investment.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Um... 2024 isn't over yet is it?

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fiscal Year != Calendar year

Not sure when the FY begins/ends, though.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Why would they use single notation for a year (2024) if the fiscal year starts in 2023 and ends in 2024? I've always seen organizations that do that write it as 2023/24 or 2023-24

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

When I worked civil service, it was always written as just the current year. So if it was after the end of the fiscal year for the current calendar year (2024) it'd always be referred to simply as FY2025 even though it's October. Not sure why, but probably just shorthand.

[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Some do those split years, but I suspect you've seen many more that are just listed as the calendar year they end in, and you've just never noticed.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca -5 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Nope, I work in finance departments for lots of organizations as a contractor. I've never seen it written as only a single year. I am Canadian though, so maybe it's just a Canada thing.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago

Maybe. Here at my job we just started FY25, because there's more overlap with that calendar year.

[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

I also work with Canadian companies, mainly on their taxes where it's almost exclusively Tax Year 2025, Fiscal Year 2025, etc.

[–] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

It my old job, it was always the calendar year that the fiscal year ends. So right now would be 2025 on the books.

If I saw 2024/2025, I would assume it's a 2-year stack or a 2-year span.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago

Because this is a dishonest news outlet with a conservative agenda.

[–] Dot@feddit.org 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The end of the fiscal year 2024 is 30/Sep and the start was in 1/Oct 2023 .

Here is a article explaining it: Why the beginning of fiscal year 2024 is in October, not January.