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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 28 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Though maybe some of the other things Musk was doing were of murky legality, this one is clearly illegal. See 52 U.S.C. 10307(c): “Whoever knowingly or willfully gives false information as to his name, address or period of residence in the voting district for the purpose of establishing his eligibility to register or vote, or conspires with another individual for the purpose of encouraging his false registration to vote or illegal voting, or pays or offers to pay or accepts payment either for registration to vote or for voting shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both…” (Emphasis added.)

I mean, if it’s clearly illegal then can we, you know, apply the law?

[–] rigatti@lemmy.world 1 points 47 minutes ago

checks Musk's net worth

....

No.

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

What's stopping people from applying to his "lottery" and just not voting Trump?

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Apparently nothing. I live in PA and want to sign up, but I really don't want Musk to have my email or phone number or home address.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 58 minutes ago

Understandable. I'd greatly consider it (if I didn't already turn in my mail-in ballot, and he offered to California) but the idea alone that I'd be giving my private info to "I am a massive fascist and enabler and funder of them" just so I can grift a grifter.

But the simple fact that even if I could give them what they demanded for payment, they would probably see a disabled, queer, poor person and go "Oh, well, you're one of them so... Face the wall."

I'd rather be a poverty-trapped queer in a red county as I am now, than sell my morals for money. That's what people with the moral backbone of a chocolate eclair do.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 10 points 4 hours ago

He will claim is was a joke in court.

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

“Illegal” is just a joke at this point

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 51 minutes ago* (last edited 50 minutes ago)

Has been for centuries. Rules rarely applied to the leaders of Rome or China, as soon as someone noticed the trend, it was the end of those governments until it was time to reform and try again.

If you have enough money to have sway in your community or kingdom, you have enough money to start asking for favors and benefits. "I'll give you this land, you give me something later." "If I can guarantee enough grain for the next month, I can get a guarantee from you soon."

You put someone into any power over others, someone wants that power, and some people are willing to do anything for that power.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 55 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

Put him behind bars for that and I start believing that the government takes this vote seriously.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I'm going to lower the bar:

If the government issues any sort of indictment in the next 3 weeks, I'll agree that they are taking it seriously. Even without bail.

[–] Joeffect@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

Also this is just an illegal lottery

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[–] Turbonics@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 4 hours ago

Cut out the media advertisers, bribe voters directly. Progress.

[–] gargamel@leminal.space 36 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, I guess I would take a million dollars from a deluded billionaire, but I would still vote for Harris.

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 21 points 6 hours ago

None of the people they are trying to bribe will see money.

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 85 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

This is a case where max jail time is needed. 5 years for each bribe.

[–] Bertz@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Except he's not paying people to vote. I hate arguing for the guy, but what he's doing is not illegal. It should be, but it's not.

Cards against humanity is paying democrats in swing states who didn't vote last time to apologize, share something bad about trump, and make a voting plan. They're showing how far you can go and still be legal, saying it should be illegal.

[–] brandocorp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 minutes ago

The article says what he's doing is clearly illegal, and backs it up with the law that he's violating. He's offering, through a lottery, a chance to receive payment in order to incentivize people to register to vote. CAH is probably treading close to the line, but I can't say it's clearly illegal. What Musk is described as doing seems to be pretty clearly illegal, to me.

Whoever knowingly or willfully gives false information as to his name, address or period of residence in the voting district for the purpose of establishing his eligibility to register or vote, or conspires with another individual for the purpose of encouraging his false registration to vote or illegal voting, or pays or offers to pay or accepts payment either for registration to vote or for voting shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both

Can you explain why you don't seem to think what Musk is doing is illegal?

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 28 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Served consecutively, not concurrently

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 7 points 6 hours ago
[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 158 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Blatantly illegal.

But Biden won't step up and make Garland do his job.

Just throw it on top of the giant piles of reason "not trump" isn't enough to fight fascism.

We need people actually willing and able to fight, best case scenario for Biden is he's only one of those things.

And as president, he's clearly able to direct the DOJ, if he believes he shouldn't be able, that makes him unwilling to fight fascism.

[–] Fluba@lemdro.id 23 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Just curious, why do you think Biden has to do anything? There's teams of people in charge of enforcing laws that don't need the president to tell them what to do. A CEO doesn't tell everyone under him what to do. He just expects them to do their job to the best they're able.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 15 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Because I know who Merrick Garland is and have observed his behavior over the last four years?

It's legit one of the few areas I agree with Biden:

In recent weeks, President Biden has grumbled to aides and advisers that had Garland moved sooner in his investigation into former President Donald Trump’s election interference, a trial may already be underway or even have concluded, according to two people granted anonymity to discuss private matters. That trial still could take place before the election and much of the delay is owed not to Garland but to deliberate resistance put up by the former president and his team.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/09/white-house-frustration-with-garland-grows-00140813

Although I disagree with Biden on his path forward. Rather than replace Garland, his plan is to grumble to aids and adversers that Garland doesn't do what he wants, I believe Biden should have never appointed him in the first, and can offer no plausible explanation for why he hasn't been replaced other Biden is (say it with me) unwilling to fight fascism as hard as it needs to be fought.

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[–] vxx@lemmy.world 49 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

musk is all in. He either goes to prison or trump wins.

I'm sure investigation starts immediately, but it won't get results until after the election.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

musk is all in. He either goes to prison or trump wins.

If trump has proven anything, it's that wealthy Republicans can get away with literally anything in this country. Musk isn't going to prison, and I doubt he'll even see a courtroom over this.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 hours ago

Seriously... Trump staged a literal insurrection and is the top presidential candidate. They think Musk is going away for some voter bribery?

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Why will Musk go to jail (ignoring this bribery)?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 22 points 9 hours ago (23 children)

What investigation is needed?

There's no way this is legal, it's what "blatantly illegal" means.

Like, if someone stripped naked, got a full automatic gun and walked around the White House busting off caps, it's "blatantly illegal" no investigation needs to be done.

This isn't like Musk went home and put pants on, he's still running around literally everyday till the election doing this.

You stop the person from committing the crime, and lock them up if there's reasonable suspicion they'll keep committing crimes.

Then when you've stopped more crimes from happening, you investigate the crimes that already blatantly happened, as well as looking for others.

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[–] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 102 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The Supreme Court: “This is fine as long as it remains Republicans only…”

[–] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 80 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The best part about this is that unlike a lot of the other illegal shit his PACs are doing, Musk can't separate himself from it and say he wasn't personally involved. He personally handed out the giant check.

If Harris wins, and if her administration actually decides to crack down on this shit, Musk could end up behind bars. I'm not holding my breath, but it's a still a pleasant thought.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 32 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The first rally he came out for trump, he flat out said "if trump loses I'm fucked".

It's logical to assume if he's being this blatant because even a little digging would show obvious crimes.

He's already fucked, he has no other option than to double down with blantant shit.

All the more reason to act now, the election is in two weeks, but if looking into this gets a head start to find some shady shit before January...

Well, it's probably all hypothetical, Biden wouldn't have the balls to do anything.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

That's what you get when you nominate someone because he "has been able to work with Republicans his whole career"

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

That wasn't why he was given the nomination, it was the excuse given for why it had to be Biden.

Like, I have a very low opinion about the intelligence of the people running the dnc...

But they couldn't be stupid enough to believe that shit, even if Biden honestly did.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 66 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Donald Trump, such a great candidate that you have to pay people and offer them cash prizes to get people to vote for him...

That's the message here.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 79 points 10 hours ago (5 children)

Elon Musk and promising people money you'll never actually pay out. Name a more iconic duo

[–] BenReilly97@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

Donald Trump and promising people money you'll never actually pay out.

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