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[–] cy_narrator@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 6 days ago

I have a feeling that Microsoft will release an update that will at the very least make Windows 10 miserable to use if not downright unbootable the day support ends

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 267 points 1 week ago (13 children)

I mean, they could solve it by not making the mandatory successor an ad-laden, AI-infested, personal data harvesting, privacy-nightmare shit show. That would be a start. And also relax whatever the artificial requirement is that makes a lot of Win10 machines incompatible with 11.

[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 51 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

You can bypass the requirements since yeah, they were always artificial. I believe Rufus has an option when creating Win11 install USBs to remove the TPM and other requirements.

But then again, it's nice, because all I need to make sure Microsoft doesn't secretly update my Win10 machine in the night to Win11 is to turn off the TPM in the BIOS.

[–] trespasser69@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But then you won't receive any updates if you use unsupported hardware to run Win 11

[–] clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

Well, not gonna get updates on 10 either, so is same-same

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[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 40 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Windows 10 is already an ad-laden, AI-infested, personal data harvesting, privacy-nightmare shit show. The problem with 11 is the ridiculous hardware requirements.

Windows 10 is trash and has always been. Windows 7 was the last good Windows, and I would still use it if it had security updates and DX12 support (I obviously mainly use Linux, but my gaming PC is on Windows, and no, some games I play and software I use 100% do not work on Linux).

[–] LiPoly@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 5 days ago

Amen. I am 100% convinced that the only reason Windows 10 was received this well was because of their tremendous marketing efforts around the release. People just accepted that it’s a great OS. It’s exactly like that Windows Vista Mojave experiment, just in reverse. In my opinion Windows 10 is even worse than Windows 11. But they didn’t do as much marketing around Windows 11.

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[–] vonxylofon@lemmy.world 148 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Microsoft has a Windows 11 problem. Staying on Windows 10 is a symptom.

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[–] Magister@lemmy.world 65 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I know it's not a hardware compatibility problem. People just don't want ads/tracking/AI bullshit, a removed control panel, settings that are hard to find/hidden, etc.

All intel processor 8th gen+ (and even some 7th gen IIRC) are win11 compatible, motherboard have TPM2 for years, even my intel 6th gen MB have TPM2.0.

Next year the intel 8th gen will have 8 years, people have PC/laptop more recent than that. Problem is that win10 will not get security updates and all.

I'm using MX Linux BTW.

[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 week ago

It's not a hardware compatibility problem for you or people who have reasonably new computers. However, for the last decade or so, computers have kind of stagnated and old computers are still very functional, something I couldn't have said a decade or two ago.

I'm typing this on a ThinkPad x201 which was released in 2010. TBF, I've updated it as much as I can (8GB of RAM and an SSD), it's running Linux Mint because Windows drags, and even then it's getting tired.

My Spouse's laptop is an Acer with a 5th gen i3. A couple years ago, she was complaining it was getting a bit slow, so I threw an SSD in it and now she's happy with how it runs Windows 10, and I'm sure it would run Windows 11 fine if a TPM2.0 chip wasn't required.

It's forced obsolesces for a hardware requirement most home users are never going to use.

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[–] InnerScientist@lemmy.world 59 points 1 week ago (16 children)

I'm just waiting for the EOL of window 10 to see which of the following will happen:

  1. Many PCs will stop getting updates, people don't care
  2. Many PCs will be replaced for windows 11
  3. Turns out people already have replaced their PCs due to other reasons
  4. Microsoft removes the hardware requirements
  5. People switch to another OS
  6. People just don't buy a home PC anymore
  7. ????
  8. Profit???
[–] trespasser69@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

240 millions PC will become e-waste if Win10 reaches EoL

[–] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

EoL doesn't mean it will stop completely; people will probably keep using it till they can't anymore, like pc becoming too slow or their home banking site not working.

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[–] Defaced@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago (5 children)

If there was ever a time for valve to push advertising out for the steam deck and steamOS it's now. The final piece of the gaming puzzle is anticheat. If valve gets the proprietary anticheat makers on board then it's all over. Every major hurdle would've been overcome, but games like valorant and call of duty still don't work because of vanguard and ricochet.

With how terrible windows handhelds are, imagine how awesome it would be for those cod players to be able to play a round of warzone on the toilet? I joke, but seriously, that's the demographic that needs to adopt a platform like the steam deck. That's the barrier valve has to overcome, and I'm worried they just don't care or something even more legally gray is happening, like Microsoft giving game devs incentive to use proprietary anticheat or to just not flip that EAC flag in their code.

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[–] Loce@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Well fuck Win 11, its a fucking downgrade. At Win 10 EOL I'm going back to linux.

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (3 children)

You and the rest of Lemmy.

[–] Capitao_Duarte@lemmy.eco.br 26 points 1 week ago

There are dozens of us!

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[–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Many years ago, I attended a Windows XP launch event. The Microsoft presenter had the perfect line to describe how MS views this:
"Why should you upgrade to Windows XP? Because we're going to stop supporting Windows 98!"

This was said completely unironically and with the expectation that people would just do what MS wanted them to do. That attitude hasn't changed in the years since. Win 10 is going to be left behind. You will either upgrade or be vulnerable. Also, MS doesn't care about the home users, they care about the businesses and the money to be had. And businesses will upgrade. They will invariably wait to the last minute and then scramble to get it done. But, whether because they actually give a shit about security or they have to comply with security frameworks (SOX, HIPAA, etc.), they will upgrade. Sure, they will insist on GPOs to disable 90% of the Ads and tracking shit, but they will upgrade.

[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because we're going to stop supporting Windows 98!

At least there was a technical reason there, that Microsoft was merging the two separate codebases for consumer Windows and enterprise Windows, and building on the better NT codebase than the 95->98->ME codebase.

And XP was actually way better for the main thing that we were going to be using computers for going forward: networked with the actual internet.

Windows 11? Can't see any paradigm shift in how the operating system itself is supposed to work, at least not on anything that actually makes a difference in a favorable way.

[–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Ya, in fairness to MS, Windows XP was a good release (post SP1, like most "good" MS releases). But, the fact is that MS is going to push the latest version, regardless of how ready it is for use. MS was hot for folks to switch to Windows ME. And holy fuck was that a terrible OS. MS also did everything short of bribery to get folks to switch to Vista (anyone remember Windows Mojave?). The "upgrade, or else" mantra has always been their way. Not that I blame them too much, it does need to happen. It just sucks when the reason for the new OS is more intrusive ads and user tracking.

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[–] PetteriPano@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Three years ago, I bought my wife a laptop with Windows 10 to replace her 10yo windows 7 machine.

It had hardware issues out of the box, and went in on two repairs. It works fine now, AFAIK.

But, she still doesn't trust it, and she doesn't think that she can move her Adobe CS6 license over to it..

I even bought her the affinity suite.

I'm starting to think she'll never move on from Windows 7.

I think the major browsers stopped supporting it sometime during the last year, so my best hope is that some included certificates will eventually make her favourite websites stop working. That has to force her over to something more recent.. right?

I use arch, btw.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The author asks many questions, but never the most important one: "Why don't people like Windows 11?"

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[–] Warjac@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

Yeah it's convincing people that Windows 11 is actually good

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

obligatory 🐧 that must be in every thread

[–] Resol@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (15 children)

If Linux didn't exist, we would actually end up with a lot of e-waste, and I mean a fuck ton of it. And it's all thanks to you, Microsoft.

Hell, Linux does exist, and people just don't wanna use it because they're so used to Windows that anything else is basically as steep of a learning curve as a literal cliff. And to those people I say: "just add some mint on it and life will be easy. Maybe even drizzle some cinnamon on it as well"

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[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (4 children)

They should be required to release drivers such that massive e-waste wasn't generated suddenly. I mean, why does the government allow a software company to own an monopolize the hardware? Hello Google! Good luck 🤞 with the monopoly assholes!

[–] ftbd@feddit.org 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I hate Microsoft as much as the next guy, but which drivers do you have in mind? You can install Linux on almost any machine, and if there are driver issues the culprits are usually nvidia, realtek, etc. for which Microsoft is hardly responsible.

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Oh my gosh 🤯 you are definitely not old enough. Microsoft has hardware by the balls because they own the eyeball markets at work. They can make a company that makes Ethernet cards for example change their API. It's pretty simple to just end Linux by denying it hardware. So that's why we must defend against that sort of monopoly which kept modems unobtainable to Linux for example. That was the great awakening, the modem wars.

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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

hahahahahah does anyone really think microsoft cares? their money is in business with all the big players already deploying 11 at least in modest amounts.

nothing stopped them when windows7 was still functional and they were pushing the tpm requirement, i dont see a difference here.

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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Another vote for Linux Mint. I finally switched from Windows 10 months ago and I love it.

I'm really enjoying the learning curve with Linux because I'm not always fighting the operating system. On the other hand, every time I've had to go "under the hood" with Windows (edit the Registry, change config files) it's been to stop Microsoft from doing something sh*tty to me.

[–] ZiemekZ@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

I've just installed it on my Dell Latitude E6330. It's great, but am I the only one who gets his laptop restarted instead of powered off? It happened both on Mint and Zorin OS, never on Windows.

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