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Kids don't even understand file structures because modern OSs obfuscate that stuff.

iOS is literally designed for toddlers to be able to use it. "iPad kids" aren't especially gifted, "iPad adults" are especially stupid.

But on the bright side, those same groups think they "know computers" because they can press large, brightly colored buttons - so they walk around with unearned confidence in their abilities and impatience/lack of appreciation for the people that actually have to fix things.

It's also why a large swatch of these same fucking idiot, drains on humanity loudly challenge the validity of voting tech infrastructure without any factual basis to their argument - they just "feel" like they get it.

Yes. We are.

We are young with to have learned tech at an early age, but old enough that the tech wasn't user friendly when we were kids, so we needed to understand it better than people do in the smartphone generation.

Installing a new game on my PC in high school was a multi-hour, sometimes multi-day ordeal.

Plugging in a secondary hard drive involved putting jumpers on pins to keep the system from trying to boot off it.

Assigning ports on peripherals involved understanding how to count in binary so you could assign addresses on dip switches.

Installing a printer involved unholy alliances with formless beings.

Every 2-3 years, I still wake up wearing black robes in a strange room in Romania, blood on my hands and a lingering scent of cordite in the air. I'm fairly certain that's related to the Canon BJC driver issues I had upgrading my AST to Windows 95.

It’s funny because we always thought that the next generation’s technical knowledge would utterly eclipse ours, but instead they only know how to edit a short video to seem to loop infinitely.

I fix my parents’ computers. I fix the computers of the super old people in the neighborhood. I fix my kid’s computer. I fix my friends’ computers.

I don’t think it’s generational.

When your car breaks down, do you fix it? At what point do you take it to a mechanic?

At what point do you call an electrician or plumber? Who biopsies their own cysts?

It’s all the same shit. We live in a society of specialists because there’s simply too much potential knowledge for everyone to be able to do everything.

And if we start arguing about what things people “ought to be able to do themselves”, we turn into a bunch of old farts lamenting about the good old days.

Yes

When I was six years old, my dad brought a computer home from work. It had Windows 3.1 on it. I had to learn how to use the DOS command prompt in order to play my favorite game, Q-bert. When I was a teenager, a new computer of middling quality could run north of $3000 from the Best Buy. But my friends introduced me to a catalog where I could buy the parts to assemble one from scratch. They let me borrow their copy of Windows 95 to install. Then we all had to learn how to use dial-up in order to connect to the internet, or how to build out a LAN network to play games together in person. We took classes in touch-typing at school, using the computer lab. I went to computer camp during the summer. I went to college and took more advanced classes on programing.

I have spent tens of thousands of hours learning to use the computer, practically from the inception of the PC to the modern day.

Now my friends have kids, and I talk about how they use the computer. Everything is out-of-the-box. Installing something is as simply as clicking an icon. You can buy a mini-computer off the shelf for under $200 and it runs better than anything I could have built thirty years ago. Periodically, they will come to me with a more advanced computer program, which has to do with a very particular OS configuration or some weird networking bug that only someone with 10+ years of experience would think to look for. I typically find the answer online, because I don't remember it off the top of my head. I teach the kid and the kid learns, and then the kid knows as much as I do on that particular subject.

In twenty years, I'm sure they'll know more than me, just because I'll be retired and they'll be in the thick of it.

Also, please nobody ask me how a car works. That was something my parents' generation learned. I'm clueless.

As a millenial nurse watching gen z new grads hunt and peck with their index fingers to write a shift note, 100%. I don't think my parents really appreciated how much constantly being on AIM with my friends as a tween actually really benefited my typing skills in a way that's been much more valuable to my career than algebra.

All the math you need to be a nurse is ratio / proportion and kitchen measurements to track I/O. With a modern EMR system (electronic medical record) that does most of the math for you you don't even need that. The rest is latin and greek root words for various body parts and fluids and a vague understanding of how they're all related (hyper-tension in the cerebral is bad because the cerebral is surrounded by a bone case and bones no stretch. That means the cerebral pops out of the bone holes and once it's done that it does NOT go back in correctly like a squeezy ball toy). That gets you through the board exams.

After a year or two in practice you've just seen the same shit with a millimeter of difference over and over and over that you either know what to do about it or who to call to do something about it. And when shit is about to go REALLY wrong that's also happened enough times that you get a weird feeling and just start calling everybody because your psych patient has been trying to kill you for the past week and an hour ago they suddenly stopped trying to kill you and now you have to explain to an RRT nurse (rental ICU nurse) why you're upset that the patient isn't trying to kill you.

Our parents didn't think it was important. Our kids don't think it is necessary.

Imagine how horse farmers felt about engine maintenance on the first automobiles. Early adopters probably knew everything about how to fix tractors and cars. But today, how many people know how to change their own brakes or flush the coolant?

Life evolves, and transitions come faster with every generation. It's good that nobody knows how to use a sextant or a fax machine.

The next generation doesn't know how to use a mouse because they do everything on the phone. And yes, I have met people like that.

My four-year-old daughter is shockingly proficient with a mouse and keyboard. Kid goes to town on Spyro: Reignited. My wife snagged an old PC from her office and we want to set it up for her eventually for learning, light gaming and MS Paint. We figure in another year or two we can set up a family Minecraft server and get her in on it. The dream is to get her playing Valheim with us when she's older.

Hoping she will be as good with PCs and I am, and would love to help her build one when she's grown.

It's worse than that: we're a small subset of the only generations that know how computers work. The vast majority of my peers would balk at using a command line, much less anything deeper.

I say generations because it's obviously not limited to one, but, it sure as fuck isn't many.

I work in tech.

My dad was a teacher, his subject was computers, at that time "computers" class was heavily programming. Basic stuff.

It seems that kids from gen x, and the millennial generation had the timing to learn the tech before it "just works", so we're used to figuring it out as we go, because there was no way to look it up on the internet, so we had to.

The zoomers and younger generations are largely "it just works" users, where all the basics of getting things to just plug and play was a thing. If it didn't work it was either "incompatible" or broken. So don't try to make it work, or you'll be sued for DMCA related violations.

IMO, there's a sweet spot, somewhere in the late 70's or early 80's to about the early-mid 2000's when people had to know something about tech to operate it. Anyone with the aptitude for tech, who was born during this time is generally working in tech.

People born before that are generally the old school pen and paper types, and anyone younger is generally the plug and play digital era.

If course, everyone is different, so the dates are probably liable to be different depending on the area, and each person may have different motivations, etc.

My generation (early millennials) are generally known for being the "tech" person to friends/family, and ADHD; at least, as far as I can see, from my little bubble of friends who mostly work in/with tech.

My dad can write DOS commands better than most people my age can and I work in Tech. beyond that? he's clueless. Younger generations can either type with their thumbs or their index fingers and know absolutely nothing about how things work. If it's an app they can open on their phones or tablet devices then perfect, they're all over it. Beyond that? no way.

People my age and from my generation can type well, can figure things out and fix issues on computers, and know our way around tech. Why? cause we were raised in an age where things were essentially "kicking off". I was taught typing in high school. Beyond that most of us used AIM, ICQ, MSN Messenger, mIRC, etc so if we weren't taught it in high school we learned it that way.

We learned html, php, javascript, etc via Geocities, setting up PHP messageboards, hell even just customizing our Myspace page. younger generations don't have anything like that so they don't know it. We learned it in our free time to customize our online experience. We had daily consistent shows like The ScreenSavers or Call for Help to teach us how to use Windows or even introduce us to Linux. I learned to build my first PC thanks to Leo Laporte and Patrick Norton. countless magazines and books to pick up to read how to do stuff. And in those days if you wanted to game on PC you pretty much had to build your own PC. No one made prebuilt custom gaming pcs. So you had to learn that stuff.

Today things are all prebuilt for you. gaming pcs, phones and tablet apps, etc. People today just want things to "just work" and if there's anything needed beyond opening an app and logining in then they're not interested. Finding and signing up for instances? forget it.

I suspect that back in the day there was a generation that were "the only ones who knew how cars worked" (in that it had a far higher number of people who could do their own car repairs).

It's the product of having grown up in a time when that technology was going from niche to widespread - a time when its still clunky, fickle and needs a lot of babysitting and before it was mainly made "so simple that any idiot can use it" - so if you were one of those people who got into it back then, you were forced to understand it more in depth merely to keep it going. Those who grew up before that simply never became familiar with it, whilst those who grew up later only ever had to understand how to the mature-stage user interfaces of that Tech, which are designed for maximum accessibility with minimum learning curve (which amongst other things means minimizing the need for deep understanding of what's going on) and did not need to know how to maintain it since "maintenance" had by then become "get a new one and click this button to migrate your info".

You can see a similar thing going on with 3D printers: earlier models are fickle and need all sorts of tweaks and understanding of what's going on to get decent prints out of them plus required frequent maintenance (amongst other things, you quite literally have to periodically retighten the screws of whatever kit FDM printer you got otherwise print quality worsens over time) whilst the later consumer-oriented products make everything simpler.

It seems that those aged roughly between 30 - 50 hit the sweet spot when it comes to computer literacy.

There is an interesting text about it, albeit it is 11 years old already: Kids can't use computers... and this is why it should worry you

Not only that, but co-workers from my own generation also don’t know how to fix their own computers, so I’m just surrounded by people that have no idea how any of it works.

Feels like it doesn't it? I enjoyed taking apart and fixing the family computer as a kid but it was also out of necessity. If it wasn't me? Then who else would or could?

I'm still trying to decide if it's a "when I was a kid I used to clean my own carburetor" situation. Like, is it a "back in my day men were men and we fixed our computers by hand", or more so, there's just not a need to dig into computers unless you enjoy it like any other hobby.

I'm glad that many kids are into PC gaming, at least. That's still a decent vector into computer proficiency and a little hardware knowledge.

No one yet has touched on the success of planned obsolescence.

Sadly if most computers weren't 'walled garden' experiences then maybe the kids could learn to tinker and fix them. As it is if the issue can't be fixed from a settings app then they're stuck.

gen z here, can confirm. most of my peers just do not care about learning how things actually work

in my experience, younger kids either don't know anything about computers or are obsessed with them. I don't see a lot of the middle

Try teaching them.