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[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 17 points 1 day ago

Saying that whatever Trump does is political suicide misses the biggest issue with this election-

Nobody cares what either of them say because an awful lot of the electorate simply isn't listening.

The Trump voters would keep voting for Trump even if he joined the Nazi party. The rest of voters have either tuned out or are pushing Kamala simply because she's not Trump so she must be better.
An awful lot of people have just made up their minds and aren't listening for anything new.

So having a headline that Trump says something offensive is news to nobody. What would have been political suicide a decade or two ago is business as usual today. Whatever standards we once have politicians to, we no longer hold them to.

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you still think anything trump could do is political suicide, you are too naive to be writing about politics.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

It's the Daily Beast, afterall. Not even Wikipedia considers them reliable.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

Saying that you could stand out in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot somebody dead I did not affect your campaign should equally have been political suicide.

Political suicide is dead.

[–] LavenderDay3544@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nothing is political suicide for Trump. He was right when he said he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and he wouldn't lose any supporters. His followers are a cult and the only way they would stop following him is if he somehow turned brown or black.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He even said "take the guns now, proper process later" ad didn't even lost NRA support

[–] LavenderDay3544@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Obviously. The NRA is a racist organization more than a gun one if you actually scrutinize it.

[–] ano_ba_to@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 day ago

On the contrary, this is actually the strategy to win the swing voters. Some of them just need to be haters and they win bigly.

[–] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago

If this is what it takes to sink Trump's ship then I'll fully give up on ever making sense of anything ever again.

Don't get me wrong, that shit show was a national embarrassment, but it wasn't surprising.

Whatever. Vote, folks.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 115 points 2 days ago (3 children)

That man is politically immortal. There is nothing he can do to "commit political suicide".

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

He can lose, repeatedly. But that doesn't really end Trumpism. It just mutates the brand into Republicans who can pitch themselves as "winners".

A big problem with Lincoln Project Republicanism is that it doesn't refute the fundamental fascist tenants of Trumpism (the xenophobia, the white nationalist Christiandom, anti-Democratic sentiments). They just pitch Trump as on the wrong side of foreign policy (not hawkish enough on Russia or China).

So we end up with Trump on one end and Ted Cruz on the other, as our range of conservative options.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

aka "We've got Trump and Trump Lite, which would you prefer?"

[–] NotBillMurray@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Do you guys have trump zero?

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Well what's the difference?

Same calories Same awful foam Same horrible aftertaste Same miserable aroma

But the light version says the quiet part quietly.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Things have definitely changed and there's republicans agitating to just blow it all up and start over. The old party wasn't great but it was at least loyal.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

there’s republicans agitating to just blow it all up and start ove

There are Republicans who lost their primaries and want their seats back. But they aren't going to throw away Reaganism to defeat Trumpism.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Everyone calls it Reagan, but he just did what Republicans were saying they wanted for decades already. In fact I'm not sure where the Republicans could fall back to ideologically. Ever since the Dixie Flip they've pretty much built their entire party around racism and religious extremism.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

In fact I’m not sure where the Republicans could fall back to ideologically.

At the heart of every Republican is a British Tory who desperately wants an American King.

Ever since the Dixie Flip they’ve pretty much built their entire party around racism and religious extremism.

Republicanism, even back to Lincoln, was a theory of Industrial expansion. Modern Republicans simply have nowhere else to expand into.

Racism and religious extremism are about re-colonizing the interior a second time, with a smaller and more "pure" cohort of settlers.

But without the large locus of dense population like the party had when it was dominant in the metropoles, that's increasingly difficult to accomplish.

What the GOP needs is a new Mecca (or, perhaps, a New New York). A large, population dense center of power to expand out of again. Maybe they've found that in Salt Lake City. Maybe they've found it in the increasingly right wing Texas capital of Austin. Or in Silicon Valley. Or in Tel Aviv. Maybe they'll rediscover New York (Eric Adams and Andrew Cuomo certainly suggest fascism still plays well in the Big Apple).

But Settler Colonialism 2 is the dream.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

That's an interesting way to look at it. I'm not sure they need a single city though, the analogy kind of falls apart if you take it too far. But the whole restricting voting rights to white Christian men married with kids could certainly be described as a new form of colonialism. It's essentially apartheid, and that was an outgrowth of colonialism.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

A new Mecca? The f'n MAGATs should shove off to Moscow.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 days ago

I came to say something like "too bad this guy is a zombie, smells like one too."

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[–] mcteazy@sh.itjust.works 107 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] CluckN@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Yeah if he was the title would’ve said, “Slammed”

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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 316 points 2 days ago (22 children)

The Madison Square Garden rally, operatic in its repulsive bigotry, will almost certainly alienate more voters who might have voted for Trump.

Will it really? Is there someone out there who didn't know until this event that he was a bigot and an awful person and is now going to change their mind?

[–] UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works 150 points 2 days ago (7 children)

You know what's crazy? That answer is almost certainly yes.

I live in a red area and more and more people are starting to see some cracks

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 100 points 2 days ago (2 children)

As great as that is to hear, I have to wonder under what rock those people have been living up to now.

[–] MrPoopbutt@lemmy.world 79 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Honestly, I kind of get it.

I'm very attuned to keeping up with what is happening in the world, at least at a base level. The number of people I've met who just dont do that is staggering. The other day I ran into someone who didn't know what happened on J6. Maybe they were playing dumb, but I didn't think so.

The reason i kinda get it is because this shit is depressing. I would love to be able to just tune out everything political related and only see feeds relating to my hobbies and just be totally ignorant of how fucked everything is. I guess some people saw that opportunity and took it.

[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Tbh, I get that too. Another realization I've had, is that a lot of Americans are so caught up in things like working and trying to survive, that paying attention to politics or the world in general is the last thing on their minds.

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[–] sxan@midwest.social 93 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Yeah, the "political suicide" bit is immediately questionable. The fact that this race is even close has destroyed any remaining shreds of faith in my fellow Americans.

Trump could go up in stage and rant about black people, using the hard-R; he could repeat the sexist comments he's already famous for; he could probably even criticize Christians - none of it would move the needle. People voting for him aren't doing so because they think he's a great person; they're doing it because they hate liberals.

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 72 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If he wins I swear I'm going to post a collage of these moronic article titles claiming gg ez a week before elections.

Feels 1:1 like 2016.

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[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 84 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It wasn't the rape charges, or saying he wants to fuck his daughter, or saying immigrants are eating pets, or that people are getting abortions at 9 months, or trying to build that stupid fucking wall, or banning Muslims, or botching covid, or the insurrection, or calling on proud boys, or having meeting with Putin, or having meetings with Netanyahu, or...

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I will continue to say, and I mean no disrespect to you or anyone else who opposes this shitstain, the fact that he was President once and is very likely to be President again speaks volumes on who the American people are and it's not nice.

A large chunk of you think this man is a good representation of you on the world stage. Someone who is weak, overweight, obnoxious, loud, a bully, sexist, racist, I can go on. This is who a large chunk of Americans feel best represents them.

[–] JDPoZ@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

People are products of their environment.

A majority of this country did NOT vote for him. He never won the popular vote. He only won because assholes who crafted our systems of power did so to better serve the rich.

We are overweight because of our terrible deregulated food industry filled with garbage and our lack of walkable living spaces in most places Americans live. Hardly any place can be gotten to in the country with out a car.

We are uneducated because the rich have shaped our education system to remove any word about the Pullman Strike… about the original meaning of red-neck… about the bombing of Tulsa… as none of those things serve capital’s interests. So many Americans are angry because members from both major parties (with a few notable exceptions) mostly serve capital, which has allowed people’s material conditions to have worsened to a point that has ripened these same poorly-educated people for demagogues offering them easy scapegoats to shift the blame for their plight.

You can be angry, but to blame Americans for this is as if we have had much say kind of ignores what’s been happening here since at least Reagan’s time, if not longer.

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Of course. I have always found it astonishing that anyone can behold DT and think he should be in charge of the country. Of course, same for Limbaugh or all the people in Fox who act like disingenuous assholes nonstop.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

..grab 'em by the pussy, or vets are suckers and losers, or his love letters with Kim, or his generals not being loyal like hitler's, or shoving light up the asses of covid victims, or bleach, or TAKING A SHARPIE TO A HURRICANE MAP, or never releasing his financial records, or his fucking health records, or...

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[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 116 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I've lost count of how many "political suicides" Trump has allegedly gone through since 2015.... Yet somehow, here he still is...

My faith in humanity has been severely diminished by the fact his candidacy keeps surviving what in a sane world would be disqualifying events/revelations.

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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 136 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Unless people go out an vote, it won't be suicide. They're just pandering to their base. The Dems need to participate and not go on good feels a la 2016.

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[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 59 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The Daily Beast is essentially Fox News for democrats, and I say this as a democrat. I wouldn’t take much of what they say seriously. Especially their sensationalist headlines.

[–] ATDA@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I mean if 'grab em by the pussy' didn't do it...

Dude commits political suicide for breakfast daily. His voters don't care.

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[–] IMNOTCRAZYINSTITUTION@lemmy.world 93 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I think trump could go on stage, strip naked, turn around and shotgun ass blast on the front row crowd and they'd still give their lives to vote for him

[–] SPRUNT@lemmy.world 54 points 2 days ago

The next rally would charge a premium to sit in the "splash zone".

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[–] peppers_ghost@lemmy.ml 75 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Donald Trump could walk around NYC naked and shrieking the n word and he wouldn't lose a single follower from his base. He's s got a cult of personality around him that is basically indestructible.

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[–] modifier@lemmy.ca 51 points 2 days ago

Naïve article overall. Writers should know better than to prognosticate on what could actually hurt Trump's chances. But this is a fantastic line:

That was clear early on when Tony Hinchcliffe, a man invited by Trump to give one of the introductory speeches—who in true MAGA fashion alleged without providing a shred of evidence that he was a comedian

[–] chalupapocalypse@lemmy.world 61 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 40 points 2 days ago

One would think stealing and potentially selling sensible documents or a failed coup or the countless sexual allegations are political suicides. But now a racist clown will get him?

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[–] Aeri@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Donald Trump has committed like, a couple dozen political suicides and stood back up, which is fucking alarming.

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[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago

Lol, mocking a disabled reporter, bragging about sexual assault, praising Hitler and trying to overturn an election wasn't political suicide, stop trying to predict last straws for his career, there is no bottom.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oh come on "journalists", please stop with this "end of the Republican party" bullshit.

None of this will kill the white supremacist party because forty percent of America is still identifying as white supremacist and another ten percent literally can't tell the difference between someone quoting Hitler and someone Hitler was a genocidal asshole that shouldn't be looked up to and those morons vote in Pennsylvania.

The Republican party is perfectly fine after this yet another time example of Republicans being Nazi sympathizers holding a major public really where they proudly proclaim their White Nationalist opinions and agenda.

I think the only hope for getting rid of this bullshit strain of conservatism here and across the world is that they hold the same beliefs in the next global pandemic.

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[–] moon@lemmy.cafe 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

not a lot of voters will actually hear about this

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