Tankie idols : politicalmemes

[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 13 points 9 hours ago

... so far. We've got 70 odd more years.

[–] SquirtleHermit@lemmy.world 27 points 14 hours ago

Quit Stalin, it's time to be Putin Tankies in their place!

[+] veganpizza69@lemmy.vg 1 points 10 hours ago

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[+] BMTea@lemmy.world -7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

So we're just whitewashing Hitler now. Cool.

[–] SuperIce@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

What do you mean?

[+] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world -45 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

It's fun to dunk on Tankies, but let's be real.

Hitler killed more Slavs than Stalin. And the Holdomor was a famine not caused by Stalin. Millions were going to die. Stalin chose Ukrainian Slavs to starve instead of Moscow Slavs.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 59 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

The Sovs literally continued exporting grain during the Holodomor. It was absolutely a choice by Stalin to create starvation conditions.

[+] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world -10 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I already said that. They took Ukrainian grain and shipped it to Moscow.

The 4 million Ukrainian Slavs dead still isn't greater than the 20 million Slavs killed by Hitler.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 22 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I already said that. They took Ukrainian grain and shipped it to Moscow.

You said

And the Holdomor was a famine not caused by Stalin.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world -5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1930%E2%80%931933

The famine affected a large area of eastern Europe, not just Ukraine.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 26 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

And the Soviets continued exporting grain from the Soviet Union itself, not just Ukraine, during the famine. Enough to feed millions of people. This was a choice made by Stalin.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 7 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

You are right! I'm am sorry.

I still stand by my statement that Hitler killed more Slavs than Stalin.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 13 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's probably true, unless one wishes to subject a certain percentage of the deaths in WW2 to Stalin's decisionmaking. That would, by my count, be unfair, even though Stalin's shares some responsibility for splitting Poland with genocidaires, letting the Nazis sucker-punch the USSR, and then a series of questionable decisions in defense of the Soviet Union. Ultimately, Hitler is the one at primary fault for the those deaths.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

unless one wishes to subject a certain percentage of the deaths in WW2 to Stalin’s decisionmaking

...Which would not be entirely unreasonable. But if we're going to do that, then we would have to do the same with Hitler and German casualties, and then you could argue that Hitler caused all of the German casualties by invading Poland.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Well, yes, but the meme only measures number of Slavs killed, and Germans aren't Slavic.

If we're counting overall deaths, it's not even close. Hitler 'wins'.

[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 12 points 13 hours ago

You seem soft on forced starvation.

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world -2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Are you fucking dense?

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Hitler killed 20 million Slavs. Stalin killed 4 million Ukrainian Slavs.

Do you think Stalin is worse than Hitler?

[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world -3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

What statistics are you referencing? I'm not doubting you, I'm just curious. Regardless of the answer, if we don't stand up to Russia, we will be doomed World War statistics. Most of the numbers I've found suggest a battle of attrition over supplies, not men. In regards to history, relatively few men have died, but the cost of arms has gone up astronomically. Consumer drones might put that into question eventually. That and Putin. If we're literally talking about the statistical number of deaths Putin has caused, maybe, MAYBE it's greater than Stalin, but then we get into the definition of "responsibility." Okay, I'm doubting you, but I want to be wrong.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

The numbers that would put Stalin ahead of Hitler are the ones from fascists that blame Stalin for the deaths in WW2, but it's also not a complete blowout without them so whatever.

I'm not sure why you'd think Putin could compare to either, ever, but the point is it's a new millennium so his only real competition is alcohol manufacturing.

[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Stalin vs Putin, not Hitler.

[–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

i mean... that is one of the most volatile regions in the world in the 21st century and it is almost entirely putin causing that. if there's little competition then it's because he's the only major power in the region stuck in last centurie's mindset and trying to pull the rest of us back. everyone else being better now is a point against putin.

it's like the rest of the world saw WWII as a lesson on how not to be, and he saw glory.

[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Fair, but how do we prove that? Again, I agree, I just REALLY want the numbers. I know someone who legitimately supports attacking Ukraine may use the numbers against me in the future. I'd prefer to be more accurate than rely on propaganda.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Sure, but we're just getting started, the resource wars haven't even begun in earnest. He simply doesn't have any good competition for the title of world's biggest murderous shithead besides Bush Jr and Xi.

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