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[–] arin@lemmy.world 22 points 7 hours ago

I love Bernie. Clearest speaker ever

[–] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 146 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (4 children)

This is persuasion done correctly. "I understand how you are feeling. Israel's crimes and US support of them should be important to all of us. You aren't wrong to have your reservations, and I agree change is needed. That being said, please let me tell you why it's important to participate." No insults, readily apparent empathy, and a sound argument.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 52 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (12 children)

People have been doing exactly that since back when we were trying to somehow get Biden to win.

The message isn't the thing. It is the speaker. Because even the tankiest of tankies are going to be wary of insulting Sanders in front of their audience. And this is why celebrity endorsements matter.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 11 minutes ago

People have been doing exactly that since back when we were trying to somehow get Biden to win.

No. Centrists have been screaming that anyone who has the slightest misgivings about their genocide is a trumpist russian shill bot child. There has been no understanding whatsoever because centrists cannot fathom disliking genocide.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 6 points 6 hours ago

And this is why celebrity endorsements matter.

Good call. When your "role model" (for lack of a better term) takes a position on something, it tends to give it more credence to the target audience.

I have a great deal of respect for Bernie Sanders, so his words carry some weight with me. He is being a voice of reason.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Bernie endorsed Hillary too. Fat lot that did. My progressive friend still wrote his name in on the ballot.

Luckily my friend is done fucking around. But seems like a lot of the "leftist" vocal minority here on Lemmy want the rest of us to pay the "find out" tab for them again.

[–] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 20 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (16 children)

Edit: I'm changing my stance on how common this is after a few hours looking at top election posts and comments across boards. The abuse definitely exists, but in most places it WASN'T at the top. While "vote bullying" happens, I was wrong about how much support it gets. I'm happy to be wrong and glad to see that people usually are pretty decent about presenting their arguments. I still think OP's article shows how people should be convinced.

I get what you are saying and half-agree. ~~Where I respectfully disagree is that people have always been this reasonable.~~ By writing "this is how it's done correctly, with respect and logic" I'm juxtaposing Sen. Sander's approach vs. "vote with us or else you're -insert insult here-" posts, comments, and memes. I've seen ~~tons of~~ some attempts to dehumanize or discredit critics of Biden/Harris/Dems on Lemmy and other platforms. You are right that ~~some~~ most have always tried to be empathetic and civil.

I also agree high-profile endorsements matter. That bugs me a little bit because I think arguments should succeed or fail on their own merits and not reputation. But I know I'm a consciously "have no heroes" person because I believe everyone is fallible. I definitely have people I respect a lot, but no one that I'll agree with all the time.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 42 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Finally! Not the video link! Thank you!

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