Buy it for Life

Arguably 5G is a massive downgrade in easy deployabilty for most countries so 4G will stick around for a bit longer, but yeah, even 5G might not set you up for life.

yeah, and that is baked into the SoC, so it's not like you could even just make a phone with a swappable antenna/modem module

There is a workaround for this, which is to use a service like JMP.chat to redirect SMS to XMPP, at which point you only need to ensure internet which is a bit of a lower requirement than specific networks (but of course may still become more limiting over time)

We have a perfectly functioning iPad1 (2?) and a somewhat younger Android tablet. There are no OS updates, you can't install any new software, and on most cases even browsing is broken.

It doesn’t and can’t exist, because the networks keep changing. You could have a 2005 phone that still is perfectly solid, but it’s a 2g phone and the networks now are all 4g and 5g.

Indeed the amount of lifetime you get out of a phone depends on what you need. I don’t actually use a smartphone as a phone. My phone has no SIM chip inserted. Wi-Fi is not getting outpaced as quickly. If you have sufficient control over your device, you can reverse tether as well.

This is how my old AOS 5 device connects (2 ways):

① AOS 5 → Wi-Fi → router w/usb port → USB mobile broadband stick → LTE(4g)
② AOS 5 → USB 2 reverse tethered → 16 year old laptop → router w/usb port → USB mobile broadband stick → LTE(4g)

My AOS 2 phone (from ~2009ish?) can also still connect via method ① but I have no use for putting it online.

What I care about is the phone-laptop connection so I can side-load f-droid apps, OSMand in particular. I will always be able to hack together a hotspot to update the OSMand maps.

and the networks now are all 4g and 5g.

You may have just helped solve a mystery for me. I was using an HSDPA stick to connect 2 yrs ago. Then one day I suddenly had no internet. Had to scramble to get another mobile broadband stick, which happened to be LTE -- which worked. I bitched to the carrier. I thought maybe they pushed a faulty baseband update to my hardware and broke it. They claimed my modem just died. I thought no fucking way does a simple solid state USB device like that just croak. ~~Maybe they pulled the plug on 3g and didn’t inform anyone.~~

(update) Nope.. Just checked and it was this year that they pulled the plug on 3g.. just last month for one carrier. So my mystery is still unsolved. Though I don’t suppose it matters.. what good is a 3g modem now? I wonder if there are any hacks to get a 3g modem talking to a self-hosted fake tower.

I’m with you there. I have defunded phones for sure and minimized the role of phones. I don’t even use smartphones as phones (no SIM chip). I think the only absolutely essential use case for me is to run OSMand (navigation) because it’s far too impractical to get a paper map for every city I set foot in.

OSMand is a resource hog. Crashes chronically when overworked. So maintaining OSMand seems to require keeping pace to some extent. Certainly the FOSS platforms will at least enable a phone to stay in play as long as possible -- or so I hope.

I have a Fairphone 4, as well, and I bought it for the very same reason. The previous phone was not a high end model, but it worked well enough for me until the battery just died from one day to the next. Was nothing I could do as it was glued and soldered, and there was no way for an amateur like me to replace it, so all of that still working hardware had to be recycled. That first made me angry, then it made me think, and I looked around and found the FP4 with its promise of being able to replace not just the battery but everything else as well, as well as extensive, long term software support. I have seen two major Android version updates already, and regular security and feature updates, so I am very happy with my buying decision.

I wish I could recommend Fairphone. I bought a "2" new a few years ago as my first smart phone, and while it worked, it wasn't very robust. I had to replace the "bottom module" (USB charging port and microphone) because it broke, which is ok, these things happen. Then, about a year ago, it went wrong again. I went back to the online shop, and the bottom module was there again. I went to buy it.... "out of stock"... "please try asking on the forums"... seriously? Go to the forums, loads of people wanting a replacement module, nobody selling theirs.

Soon after I get an email saying, "good news, android is now available for the Fairphone 2", and they were singing and dancing about how it was a load of hassle etc. etc. to port. Great, but no use to me if I can't get spares.

Much to the annoyance of my other half, I bought a Fairphone 3. After a while that started going buggy and not charging. There were a few other issues with it, so I thought I would send it back to get fixed. When I read the details of sending it back, they said to make sure it was backed up as it will be wiped "due to GDPR".. wtf??? That has nothing to do with GDPR - that's your poor data hygiene.

My Fairphone 3 isn't rooted, and I don't use google accounts, so it would be very difficult to back it up properly. I understand, if it's totally broken, there may be no way to retrieve the data, so you might loose it all, but that has nothing to do with GDPR.

I've not bothered sending it back, so it's yet another chunk of e-waste. A mate gave me his old Samsung s20, so I'm going to use that until it breaks.

I really want the company to succeed, but at this rate, it's cheaper and probably better for the environment if I just buy a second hand old "flagship" phone instead.

I am never buying Fairphone again 😢

Early flash memory had a severe bitwear/bitrot issue, but at some point (2015?) they made some strides on that. The best resilience is in the SSDs for some reason. I’m not sure how much SD cards improved, but I suppose a phone’s internal storage would be an embedded SD card.

It’s a good point, so it would be useful to know if there is a year where bitwear is less notable on phones.

It’s a shame Fairphone even has internal storage, which seems to go against their vision. But apparently Fairphone users can at least use the external storage as internal (if you neglect the apparent bug mentioned in that thread). I wonder if the internal storage is still needed for the boot loader in that case.

So you're the other one.

Firstly, Rooting/ flashing non-manufacturer firmware voids your warranty. A phone without manufacturer support is going to struggle to be BIFL.

I just bought an all-metal sewing machine from like the 1960s. Of course the warranty is toast (though it was generous.. like 25yrs or something). I would not say it’s not BifL on the basis of warranty expiry. It will likely last the rest of my life which could amount to another 50 yrs.

Most of what I buy outlasts the warranty. Then I push it far beyond what’s expected. But indeed smartphones are such an obsolescence shit-show out of the gate they will be the hardest product to push the lifetime on.

I’m surprised to hear a phone for $100 referred to as cheap. But I suppose it is relative to some phones fetching 4 figures. Crazy! In the past I would go to the shop of a carrier and ask what they have in the backroom which is still new in box but not current enough to expose on the store shelves. I got new phones between $5 and $20 this way, which were only 1 or 2 Android versions behind.

That’s still not good. It’s frugal but it still feeds the 1st hand market when the 2nd hand market is absolutely flooded with phones no one wants. Going forward, every phone I buy will be 2nd hand.

The street markets are flooded with cameras (both digital and film). If you’re not fussy about pocket space that could be worth considering.