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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 109 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

How fucking stupid are people Jesus Christ.

You got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new west. You know… morons.

[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 14 points 2 weeks ago

We just got the answer to that question yesterday.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

We'll just assume that question was rhetorical.

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[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 92 points 2 weeks ago

Showing just how gullible American voters are.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 74 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Trump got 2 million less votes than he did in 2020. I think this is more of a case where left-leaning people failed to show up in numbers that led for Biden's win in 2020.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago (19 children)

Didn't Democrats raise a record amount of money this election cycle? And they were supposed to use it to get out the vote?

There is money pouring into these campaigns, and it doesn't make any difference at all. It's all just a corporate welfare project for local TV media in swing states.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago

Didn’t Democrats raise a record amount of money this election cycle? And they were supposed to use it to get out the vote?

Harris only had months of campaigning, while Trump had over a year. That alone put her at a massive disadvantage, since much of the vote is often decided (in people's minds) well before the elections.

But the reality is, as long as 50%+ are OK being in a cult run by an incoherent madman, they'll ignore the self-harm and keep voting the same way.

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Overall voter turnout dropped by something like 18 million. So yeah. The fact that Biden and the Democratic Party are obsessed with tooting their own horns while the lived experience of the entire fucking middle class has gotten measurably worse caused this. The election just underlines their failure to do fucking ANYTHING.

And yes, I know the GOP obstructs everything. But for fucks sake can we please try some malicious compliance at the very least? Or - and hear me out - just do shit anyways, make a difference, and fuck the rules. The GOP does that when they do fucked up things; refusing to do that in the interest of doing GOOD things that would actually HELP people is a self-defeating strategy. Stop bringing a deck of cards to a fucking gunfight. Jesus tapdancing christ.

[–] mmcintyre@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If the left not voting leads to Democrats losing, you'd think the party would try to win those votes. Instead they campaign like they don't need them. And well, I guess.. the campaign advisors actually don't need them, they're gonna get hired to run the next campaign regardless. And the fat-cat donors are gonna stay rich regardless. Both ready to steer the next election!

It's always "the left" that's causing candidates to win by not voting, it's never candidates failing to give them something to vote for. Or advisors and donors pushing the candidates towards positions that will cost them the election. It's always "the left".

But hey, she got the Cheney's vote! And look, my swing state family's as well. But Democratic candidates and policies need to go big, or they're gonna keep being sent home. People voted for Trump for the same reason they voted for Obama - they absolutely want change, and 25K for a mortgage down payment ain't it.

[–] Sakychu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago

People in 1932 also voted for change and boy did they got it.

[–] Kolrami@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

They're not done counting. There's a decent chance he has more votes this time.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 40 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Thanks COVID. You took our family members, forced us to have to "save the economy" causing inflation and now gave us a dictator. The gift that keeps on giving.

[–] morphballganon@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

COVID is not responsible for Trump's win. The electorate is.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 6 points 2 weeks ago

As the article is stating "the economy is the biggest reason" people vote for Trump. The economy is bad for normal folks because of inflation, which was high in part because of corporate greed but also because of the major cash injection to "save the economy" through COVID.

Our (necessary) reaction to COVID set the conditions for Trump to fan the flames of peoples gripes.

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[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 35 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This brings me back to a point I keep on making; I really do not care if the vast majority of people vote selfishly. In fact, I want you to vote selfishly.

Just for the love of God be smart about it.

You're hurting? You're feeling economic pain? Absolutely take those feelings into the ballot box with you.

But why in the absolute fuck would you vote for the guy who has promised to make everything more expensive?

The problem is not that people are selfish. Selfish is fine, selfish is good. We can work with selfish. But what we need, desperately, is to teach people how to act effectively in their own self interest, instead of being lead around by the nose by billionaires.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That starts at the formative years. You can't all the sudden instill some new sense of self in a 30 something year old man, grinding away at work for the last 10 years, only to have enough money to come home, drink a six pack and watch the sports package or play whatever latest video game.

In order to be smart about it, they have to take the steps and spend the time to educate themselves.

Maybe if you go around the billionaires and make that easier, cheaper, faster or more enjoyable you stand a chance... but I have no idea what that even looks like. Or how you prevent billionaires from spoiling it.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I think there are ways. It really feels to me like the left has left a lot of ground untapped in terms of our messaging.

There's a lot of leftist ideas that, when presented without an explicitly "Leftist" context, really appeal to right wing voters.

Like, when did unions become a political thing? How the fuck did we lose them on unions? And Jesus Christ, we're talking about the party of "rugged individualists", how are we not selling them on solar power?

"Still suckling on the teat of some oil baron? Damn son, I get all my power from God's beautiful sun and wind, and can't no one take it away from me."

"What's that you say, you gotta work sick because you're too pussy to tell your California elite CEO to go fuck himself? Sounds like you need a union son."

Like, am I fucking crazy here? How the hell did the American left lose the Midwest when there's so many ways to appeal to these people, if someone would just try to actually meet them where they are.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago
[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

I don't wanna hear another damn word out of young, American leftists. They moralized, demanded, complained, and stayed home. Now shut the fuck up and enjoy the destruction of Gaza. Morons

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Now do latinos and suburban women.

Singling out a single demographic for the target of your ire isn't helpful.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Are you that stupid to think that 15 million non-voter were leftists?

Pew research allows that progressive are seven percent of the electorate and you actually believe that 15 million is all leftist?

Nah, there's millions of bog standard Democrats that didn't vote because 'reasons' here. Y'all put a quarter in your ass and played America.

[–] steeznson@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Ironically if she'd chosen Shapiro as a running mate then she'd have had a better chance of holding PA. However reports at the time suggested she didn't want to risk upsetting the left by choosing a Jewish running mate.

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[–] Spazz@lemmynsfw.com 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Imagine being so fucking stupid you vote Trump to handle the economy

[–] AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

"He's a businessman, he knows business." I don't think business and economics are the same thing.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

"Economy" --> "Financial markets"

And yes, people with savings are beating inflation with yields on their investments, not with wage increases.

The fact that it only increases the inequality and wealth concentration for everyone* but the very few on the top is lost in the timeframe.

*I do mean almost everyone, even with a few mil in savings (stock, bond, real-estate, etc markets) & insane gains for decades now these people are worse off compared to how much monies & power the billionaire class gained.

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