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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 2 points 1 day ago
[–] hrrrngh@awful.systems 9 points 5 days ago

caption: """AI is itself significantly accelerating AI progress"""

wow I wonder how you came to that conclusion when the answers are written like a Fallout 4 dialogue tree

  • "YES!!!"
  • "Yes!!"
  • "Yes."
  • "               (yes)"
[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

So we have this new tech that makes stuff up and also is a bit racist at times? Lets use it to monitor employees, of course it also trains to replace your job.

[–] mii@awful.systems 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This is fucked even without the hallucinating Clippy in the backend.

If your desktop is idle for more than 30-60 seconds (no "meaningful" mouse & keyboard movement), you get a red flag

People getting ~~flogged~~ flagged for being lazy for a few seconds reminds me of something …

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 7 points 5 days ago

Flagged by AI for being lazy for being the one guy in the office who actually refills the coffee machine.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 5 days ago
[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

andrew tate's "university" had a leak, exposing cca 800k usernames and 325k email addresses of people that failed to pay $50 monthly fee

entire thing available at DDoSectrets, just gonna drop tree of that torrent:

├── Private Channels
│   ├── AI Automation Agency.7z
│   ├── Business Mastery.7z
│   ├── Content Creation + AI Campus.7z
│   ├── Copywriting.7z
│   ├── Crypto DeFi.7z
│   ├── Crypto Trading.7z
│   ├── Cryptocurrency Investing.7z
│   ├── Ecommerce.7z
│   ├── Health & Fitness.7z
│   ├── Hustler's Campus.7z
│   ├── Social Media & Client Acquisition.7z
│   └── The Real World.7z
├── Public Channels
│   ├── AI Automation Agency.7z
│   ├── Business Mastery.7z
│   ├── Content Creation + AI Campus.7z
│   ├── Copywriting.7z
│   ├── Crypto DeFi.7z
│   ├── Crypto Trading.7z
│   ├── Cryptocurrency Investing.7z
│   ├── Ecommerce.7z
│   ├── Fitness.7z
│   ├── Hustler's Campus.7z
│   ├── Social Media & Client Acquisition.7z
│   └── The Real World.7z
└── users.json.7z

yeah i studied defi and dropshipping at andrew tate's hustler university

statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Ugh. Tangentially related: a streamer I follow has been getting lots of people in her chat saying that one of the taters wants to hire her. I've started noticing comments like "I love white culture" and weird fantasies about the roman empire. Historically she's also been asked multiple times what her ethnicity is (she is white), specifically if she is scandanavian, which I am starting to view under some kind of white supremacist lens. I've told her to ignore anything mentioning the taters or "top g" as one of them is known.

Honestly, I'm worried that she could get brigaded by these creeps, even if she shows no response whatsoever.

I mean, according to the charges Tate hiring young women usually meant some variety of sex trafficking and adult video that he took the money for. Tbh the whole space is sufficiently toxic that she ought to start dropping the banhammer judiciously, but IDK what situation is politically economically etc.

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

"Yeah I thought about going into civil engineering but the department of hustling really spoke to me y'know?"

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

i have never felt imposter syndrome since

nikhil suresh, probably

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 9 points 6 days ago (4 children)

I'm just curious how many hits you would get if you searched for '4 hour work week', as iirc that is where all these people stole the idea from. (well, not totally, the idea they are stealing is selling others the idea of the 4 hour work week, but I hope you get what I mean, 4 hour work weeks all the way down).

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

See, isn't the 4-hour work week one of those "just make other people work 50+hours a week on your behalf and take the money they've earned for it" schemes? This looks much broader rather than being married to a specific sub-scam. Like, if crypto is down they can sell drop shipping. If drop shipping is cringe they can sell AI slop monetization. If Amazon tightens their standards and starts locking out AI stuff they can go back to crypto.

It's in the same genre of trying to monetize being a conspicuous asshole, but it is one of the more complex evolutions, at least compared to the standard grift-luencer.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 7 points 5 days ago

I think it is that book yes, it started a lot of these things, and a lot of these people (im generalizing here, but the Tates are imho part of a long line of manosphere people who all do this kind of stuff, selling others courses into dropshipping, courses into setting up passive income streams, courses into getting laid/mindset etc. And it seems like the only thing they manage to really sell is courses. I don't think it is that complex an evolution more like the natural progression, of course they get into crypto and AI slop. I think the only real change of somebody like Tate vs the other weirdos who did this (somebody like Cernovic was also one of these people for example) is that Tate has a little bit of charisma for an important market segment (the under 18 year olds).

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

not many. 2 hits for "4 hour workweek" and 35 for "4 hour work week" another 4 for "4-hour workweek" and 5 for "4-hour work week"

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 5 days ago
[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 5 days ago

alright it's 14gb of json files let me figure out how to grep it in reasonable way and i'll get there for now i'll say that the biggest one (size) in private channels is "crypto trading" (2 gb) then "crypto investing" (1.6gb), while in public channels it's "the real world" (1.7 gb) and "ecommerce" (0.87 gb)

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 5 days ago

that's not even that, maybe with exception for tate &co. it's just shilling shitcoins and selling hopes like that one tiktok spammer mussy described by 404media

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

The word "deranged" is getting a workout lately, ain't it?

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 10 points 5 days ago (3 children)

fwiw i attribute this to the stop doing x meme (that I believe skillissuer is referencing):

been thinking about making one for (memory) safe c++, but unfortunately I don’t know the topic deep enough to make the meme good

[–] hrrrngh@awful.systems 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

One of my favorite meme templates for all the text and images you can shove into it, but trying to explain why you have one saved on your desktop just makes you look like the Time Cube guy

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 5 days ago

yeah that's what i was going for

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 3 points 4 days ago

magnificent!

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Oh hey looks like another Chat-GPT assisted legal filing, this time in an expert declaration about the dangers of generative AI: https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/stanford-professor-lying-and-technology-19937258.php

The two missing papers are titled, according to Hancock, “Deepfakes and the Illusion of Authenticity: Cognitive Processes Behind Misinformation Acceptance” and “The Influence of Deepfake Videos on Political Attitudes and Behavior.” The expert declaration’s bibliography includes links to these papers, but they currently lead to an error screen.

Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes.

[–] rook@awful.systems 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Interesting post and corresponding mastodon thread on the non-decentralised-ness of bluesky by cwebber.

https://dustycloud.org/blog/how-decentralized-is-bluesky/

https://social.coop/@cwebber/113527462572885698

The author is keen about this particular “vision statement”:

Preparing for the organization as a future adversary.

The assumption being, stuff gets enshittified and how might you guard your product against the future stupid and awful whims of management and investors?

Of course, they don’t consider that it cuts both ways, and Jack Dorsey’s personal grumbles about Twitter. The risk from his point of view was the company he founded doing evil unthinkable things like, uh, banning nazis. He’s keen for that sort of thing to never happen again on his platforms.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 6 points 6 days ago

note that cwebber wrote the ActivityPub spec, btw

[–] mountainriver@awful.systems 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

At work, I've been looking through Microsoft licenses. Not the funniest thing to do, but that's why it's called work.

The new licenses that have AI-functions have a suspiciously low price tag, often as introductionary price (unclear for how long, or what it will cost later). This will be relevant later.

The licenses with Office, Teams and other things my users actually use are not only confusing in how they are bundled, they have been increasing in price. So I have been looking through and testing which licenses we can switch to a cheaper, without any difference for the users.

Having put in quite some time with it, we today crunched the numbers and realised that compared to last year we will save... (drumroll)... Approximately nothing!

But if we hadn't done all this, the costs would have increased by about 50%.

We are just a small corporation, maybe big ones gets discounts. But I think it is a clear indication of how the AI slop is financed, by price gauging corporate customers for the traditional products.

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Character.AI Is Hosting Pedophile Chatbots That Groom Users Who Say They're Underage

Three billion dollars and its going into Character AI AutoGroomer 4000s. Fuck this timeline.

[–] hrrrngh@awful.systems 3 points 5 days ago

I've seen people defend these weird things as being 'coping mechanisms.' What kind of coping mechanism tells you to commit suicide (in like, at least two different cases I can think of off the top of my head) and tries to groom you.

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

automated grooming is just what progress is and you have to accept it. like the printing press

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[–] dgerard@awful.systems 19 points 1 week ago (6 children)

now seeing EAs being deeply concerned about RFK running health during a H5N1 outbreak

dust specks vs leopards

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[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (23 children)

OK to start us off how about some Simulation Hypothesis crankery I found posted on ActivityPub: Do we live in a computer simulation? (Article), The second law of infodynamics and its implications for the simulated universe hypothesis (PDF)

Someone who's actually good at physics could do a better job of sneering at this than me, but I mean but look at this:

My law can confirm how genetic information behaves. But it also indicates that genetic mutations are at the most fundamental level not just random events, as Darwin’s theory suggests.

A super complex universe like ours, if it were a simulation, would require a built-in data optimisation and compression in order to reduce the computational power and the data storage requirements to run the simulation.

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

This feels like quackery but I can't find a goal...

But if they both hold up to scrutiny, this is perhaps the first time scientific evidence supporting this theory has been produced – as explored in my recent book.

There it is.

Edit: oh God it's worse than I thought

The web design almost makes me nostalgic for geocities fan pages. The citations that include himself ~10 times and the greatest hits of the last 50 years of physics, biology, and computer science, and Baudrillard of course. The journal of which this author is the lead editor and which includes the phrase "information as the fifth state of matter" in the scope description.

Oh God the deeper I dig the weirder it gets. Trying to confirm whether the Information Physics Institute is legit at all and found their list of members, one of whom listed their relevant expertise as "Writer, Roleplayer, Singer, Actor, Gamer". Another lists "Hyperspace and machine elves". One very honestly simply says "N/A"

I am not making this up.

The Gmail address also lends the whole thing an air of authority. Like, you've already paid for the domain, guys.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 week ago (9 children)

OK this membe list experience is just 👨‍🍳😗👌

  • Psychonaut
  • Practitioner of Yoga
  • Quantum, Consciousness, Christian Theology, Creativity

Perfect. No notes.

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[–] swlabr@awful.systems 21 points 1 week ago

Despite the lack of evidence, this idea is gaining traction in scientific circles as well as in the entertainment industry.

lol

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