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[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 6 hours ago

show me a conservative that accepts blame for anything

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 48 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

In the interview, Merkel stated that Vladimir Putin, at the beginning of his presidency, had no intention of attacking Ukraine, and his plan gradually took shape over the years, partly due to the behaviour of the West.

Did he also have no intention of continuing to occupy Georgia and Moldova and the West forced him to continue the occupation and then invade Georgia in 2008?

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago

So did the interviewer ask her this? Cause they should have.

[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 17 points 6 hours ago

Merkel attempting to retcon all the decades long "success" she had on the back of cheap Russian oil and gas, selling out Ukraine in the process

[–] Streetlights@lemmy.world 14 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Plenty of blame to go around. Where is Gerhard Schroder these days?

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] ormr@lemm.ee 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The move to expel him was utterly shameful. A lot of smart people ridicule pacifists and people believing in peace through trade etc. They should be ashamed. Schröder was a great chancellor and he should be praised for a lot of good decisions during his tenure. His vision to position Germany and Europe in the middle between the US and Russia was farsighted, still is today. He kept Germany out of the Iraq war, turned out he was very right about that. He also fostered a shift towards renewable energy.

A lot of good could be said about his years as chancellor yet smug online "experts" on foreign policy of course know everything much better lmao.

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 2 points 53 minutes ago

A majority of Germans hate Schröder, because he privatized important infrastructure and then went to "work" for Gazprom. He's one of the top examples of corrupt German politicians and by supporting putins fascist regime he is in part guilty of causing russias wars, even though he may not have forseen them. russias domestic human rights violations were impossible to miss and as a German he should have known better for historic reasons.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

She also fed the afd.. letting in a million refugees, telling everyone it will be fine and then not actually doing anything to prevent the issues everyone saw coming.

[–] Spezi@feddit.org 8 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

And somehow now it‘s all the greens fault.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

I will never understand how that works.

[–] DrGeraintLLannfrancheta@nafo.army 2 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

@Badeendje @Skiluros well, i'am thankful for 1 million ppl in our overaged society. And she and fckg Obama fckes it up in Syria letting this genocidal tyrant mass murder and gas their citizens! So this is actually the only thing she was right about!

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not saying she should have stopped the migrants or whatever.. but integrating a million people will mean you need to invest heavily in making sure these people land properly, get the help they need (including medical and psychological where needed, language and integration, preventing ghetto forming, housing.. etc etc) I'd argue she came up short.

[–] LowtierComputer@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Why are you censoring yourself?

[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 9 points 7 hours ago
[–] WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Ukraine was essentially a Russian client state until a few years later. I imagine very few wanted Ukraine in the alliance until a little more of the corruption was taken care of. Germany definitely benefited from cheap oil and gas from Russia while Russia did bad things but I think these are two different issues.