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Wow, that makes more sense in politics than it does in quantum mechanics
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Maybe we can model the quantum world on Politics.
every time a politician has to make a statement he both agrees and disagrees until he knows who the audience.
Every election in America, no matter how shitty Republicans get, is 49%-51%.
This produces a rather odd dumbass effect where if it's 48%-52%, people start shouting about landslides.
Except for McCain, Bob Dole, Bush Senior the second time around, and Barry Goldwater
Remember that his first official act as president in his first term was to send Sean Spicer out, literally on day one, to scold the press corp for seeing the paltry crowd at his inauguration. This guy is always, always just small dick energy in an ill-fitting suit.
Piss on him til he fucking drowns
He would die a happy man
So be it, long as he's dead and gone
Especially if it's Russian piss...
I mean if you take into account how stupid and incompetent he was in his last term and that he now he seems to be losing his faculties it was quite a landslide. Getting 10% should have been a miracle.
There's even rumors that votes in the swing states were fraudulent as well. A disproportionate number of "bullet ballots" in swing states alone may indicate foul going-ons. The only way to tell would be a recount, however.
Edit: Seems the info is dubious, at best. Partially straight up wrong. Oh well. A few hours of hope was nice.
This has been shut down pretty well at this point.
How? If there's new info I want to hear it but AFAIK it's been speculated and nobody has done any digging on it.
here is the linked transcript in case you're like me and can't stand getting information from a video
If there was anything to it, the Democrats would be talking about it. They have plenty of lawyers that can demand recounts in places where they suspect they could gain something. I know they're generally incompetent, but not that incompetent.
They sure hide their competence well. Letting the biggest threat to our democracy slip through every crack in the system sure looks like a boneheaded move.
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According to snopes, the claims made by the Spoonamore guy are kinda iffy, I'm afraid. :(
https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/11/21/stephen-spoonamore-letter-harris/
I read that earlier and I'm confused why it seems to matter if the vote is above the threshold for the state to flip or not to do a recount.
Take Nevada: " As for Nevada, Spoonamore contended in his letter, "NV - 43K+ 5.5%+ of Trump's total vote. Enough to exceed recount threshold." The Nevada government website (archived) reported that — out of 1,487,887 total ballots cast — 1,484,840 ballots contained votes for presidential candidates and 1,464,728 contained votes for U.S. Senate candidates. The mximum number of "bullet votes" is 23,159. Trump received 46,008 more votes in Nevada than Harris. "
Snopes seems to be saying that it doesn't matter if Trump cheated and sneaked in 23k bullet votes because Kamala would have lost anyway without them. In my view, if ANY cheating occured then that's like really bad right? Even if it didn't flip the election?
23k is a little more than half of 43k so the percentage would drop from 5.5% down to 2.8% which is still wayyy over the usual 0.05% bullet ballots which seems very odd and makes it recount worthy. (Note: The 0.05% bullet ballots figure comes from the original article which I haven't fact checked since idk how so if that's wrong please correct it "In comparison, bullet ballots for Trump in Oregon, Utah and Idaho—the three states which border Arizona and Nevada, with equally fervent Trump voters—count for less than 0.05% in each state.")
Even ignoring the math, the assertion that a statistically unlikely amount of bullet ballots means there has been fraud is kinda out there. Historically, bullet ballots are fairly common with populist candidates.
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Oh, thanks for that link. They did go really deep into the numbers with this one. I knew the whole Starlink part of the letter made no sense given how the internet works, but I still had questions about the number of bullet ballots, which Snopes addresses as well state by state.
I think that's all BS. However, what is not BS is that ballots have just "vanished", due to being challenged by the Vigilante stuff. According to Greg Pallast, investigative journalist with the BBC, there have been over 800k provisional ballots that have not been counted because they have been thrown out. He even has the exact names of people, who's ballots have been thrown out.
If it wasn't so dire, I'd find it extremely fascinating...
Problematic for a couple of reasons:
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You can't just insert fake ballots, that would cause the vote count to be incorrect when compared to registered voters.
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A bullet ballot would support Trump, but have no impact on other races... races which we know Republicans won.
Looking at Pennsylvania as an example:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election_in_Pennsylvania
Trump - 3,542,505
Harris - 3,421,088
Stein - 34,508
Oliver - 33,299
Total - 7,031,400
Trump won by 121,417
Now compare that to the Senate election:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_Senate_election_in_Pennsylvania
McCormick - 3,395,785
Casey - 3,378,356
Libertarian - 89,475
Green - 66,185
Constitution - 23,586
Total - 6,953,384
So 78,016 more people voted in the Presidential race than the Senate race, which is not enough to have given Trump the win if they were all bullet ballots.
You don't have to fake ballots. You can just throw absentee ballots out, after them being challenged...which happens since 2000 (it's apparently one of the reasons Bush won), this time however there have been over 800k ballots that have been thrown out...in swing states alone.
Considering the margins are so slim, a few 100k challenged voters here and there...and you have "We don't need your votes, we have enough" https://youtu.be/X3hXeEiFcJM?si=-lJLqmIDZM4PewcT
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Write your senators and representative and ask them to enforce section 3 of the 14th amendment and prevent an insurrectionist from holding office.
I kinda knew the popular vote thing would correct itself, I think the reason it’s this close at all is because most people don’t pay attention to politics as much as they should
He won popular (more votes than other candidates), he did not win majority (>50% of total votes)
lmao, third parties actually threw the election
I mean there wasn't enough of them to flip the swing states. Also somehow I doubt that all the RFK Jr and Chase Oliver and Randell Terry and Peter Sonski voters would have gone for Harriss
Bro let me cope...
I'll let you cope if you make a meme for me What they Wanted: Barack Obama with a lil bowtie and Joe Biden waving a Minnesota flag(new version) What they got: Hillary Clinton with a sunglasses tint effect to make her look darker and John Kerry with 3 purple hearts waving a Minnesota flag(old version)
Not necessarily, he won a majority in Pennsylvania and in states like Wisconsin where he only got a plurality third party voters wouldn't likely have broken strongly enough against him for him to lose.
Trump runs on ego. Anything that quells the ego must be wrong.
This is the only effective way to slow him down imo. Make fun of him for having small crowds at his rallies then sue him for libel when he says his were bigger. It doesn't matter if it goes anywhere in court, you just need to force the conversation to keep his attention.
Unfortunately, he will soon have the power of the federal government at his fingertips. He will begin exacting retribution on anyone who is effective in slowing him down.
Yeah, he is afraid that it will be exposed that he rigged this election.
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I mean, no, a Landslide is historically defined as 400 EVs and that hasn't happened in a while, not even Obama quite got there.
But it is the biggest victory a Republican has had since 1988. I don't get all the hemming and hawing about mandates and plurality of PV vs majority of PV and stuff. This was a bigger win for the Republicans then 2000, 2004, and 2016. 2004 is the only one that's even debatable. Harris lost harder than any democrat since Micheal Dukakis. And while a lot of that is people who only show up for Trump and thus it's possible 2028 is a democrat wave, there's also a lot of people specifically turned off by Trump who might not mind the far younger Vance(who had the biggest glowup this year of the 4 people on the tickets, he went from bottom in popularity to comparable to Walz, meanwhile Trump and Walz stagnated and Harris surged and then un-surged)
Facts don’t care about his feelings.
The gaslighting of his campaign knows no bounds.
I'm going to go with the Big Lie 2 here. Trump lost the popular vote just like he did with Hilary and Biden.
Once he's president he'll probably say these types of stories are subversion of the state.
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