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Apple users bash new iPhone 15: ‘Innovation died with Steve Jobs’::Smart phone fans are griping about Apple's new devices since the arguably anti-climactic announcement of the forthcoming iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus on Tuesday.

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[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 140 points 1 year ago (42 children)

Steve Jobs didn't innovate a thing in his life. Apple has always been stealing tech and pretending that they created it.

Now with this new version, they don't even have much anything to steal. At best, they pretended that the EU didn't force them to adopt USB 3 and boast how much faster it is than Lightning port.

[–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 93 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Actually the EU only forced them to adopt USB C. Only their 'Pro' model actually has USB 3. Imagine having to pay a premium for the luxury of a 15 year old technology

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

And they still don't have PD on the pro.

My guess is that they'll be going portless soon, and don't want users freaking out that they can't change their phones as quickly, so they're intentionally nerfing the charge speeds on USB C.

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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did Jobs build teams that invented the GUI, the cellphone, multitouch gestures, or mobile web browsing? No, he didn’t. But he built teams that productized those things better than anyone else before them, and that team forever changed our expectations for computing.

To be an innovative composer you don’t have to invent new instruments, scales, time signatures, etc. You have to know how to arrange existing stuff in new ways.

[–] TheDarkKnight@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep, I am not a Jobs fan boy at all but he definitely had a clear goal and required people to get the product right before shipping it, to the extent to which that was possible for the tech at the time.

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[–] Xia@jlai.lu 15 points 1 year ago (26 children)

Yeah because the first iPhone wasn’t a Revolution,

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[–] Pregnenolone@lemmy.world 88 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Y’all are unironically engaging with a NYPost article

[–] waitmarks@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It’s an insult to call this an article, is regurgitating some shit some dudes on twitter said.

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[–] FireWire400@lemmy.world 83 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

Eh. I mean, are there any great innovations left when it comes to smartphones? They kinda all just look and do the same nowadays.

They sure made USB3 look like a breakthrough innovation, though...

[–] Brainsploosh@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Functioning AI voice assist, foldable, better peripherals, better input systems, better data transfer between systems, more durable, better battery life, repairable, more sustainable, better UI, decentralised communication options, meshnet options, etc.

There's plenty to do about smartphones that needs innovating...

[–] qooqie@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

They are always making Siri better (check out the news for it), I super do not want a foldable phone, the Apple peripherals are quite good, the data transfer between Apple systems is one of the main appeals of Apple, never broke an Apple product unless I chuck it at a wall, battery life is quite good I have a 4 year old phone that still has 24 hour battery life, Apple is committed to making not just their products but the entire company carbon neutral by 2030, Apple UI is also one of the main appeals since it’s so nice.

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[–] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

are there any great innovations left

Honestly, this is such a weird take because, yes. Of course there are innovations left, you just cannot think of them yourself now because then they obviously would not be innovative but rather same old same old. Now the rate of new innovations probably did slow down a lot, I agree with that, so its harder to find something that is innovative in this space.

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[–] droidpenguin@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I'll admit the hardware on iPhones is excellent but waaayy overkill for iOS.

Let me install my own third party apps w/o the App store (I know altstore exists, but needing to renew apps every few days is super janky). If I spend my money on a device, I should be allowed to put whatever I want on it, however I want. Let me, the consumer accept the risks of doing so.

Let me use HDMI out over USB-C to an external monitor and have a full desktop with ability to run desktop class apps. Let me use the full potential of the chipsets to get actual work done and effectively replace a computer.

Till then, Android it is for me because I can do both these things easily. I know my use cases are more niche, but "Pro" naming on consumer Apple products is just fluff.

[–] krayj@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago

Let me install my own third party apps w/o the App store (I know altstore exists, but needing to renew apps every few days is super janky). If I spend my money on a device, I should be allowed to put whatever I want on it, however I want. Let me, the consumer accept the risks of doing so.

This is THE reason I switched from Apple to Android in 2017 and never looked back.

[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Unless forced this will never happen on Apple devices. The reason has nothing to do what they claim, about protecting users and people not knowing better. It has everything to do with locking people in their ecosystem. If uncurrated store appears it might bring with it applications that help people migrate out of the Apple ecosystem or provide compatibility with "undesired" devices. Better compatibility with Android watches means lower chances of people buying Apple Watch, etc.

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[–] DarkWasp@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I don’t know what people are expecting anymore, phones are a mature market. Short of something like foldables (which don’t seem to be catching on) they’re going to be iterative updates. Look at TVs and computers. Years of big advancements and then they’re iterative.

Also the NY Post is an absolutely terrible publication to link to.

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[–] BURN@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago (16 children)

At this point I’m trying to figure out what people want from yearly releases. iPhones are pretty much already packed with every feature imaginable. There’s not much more to add without completely transforming the device into something it isn’t.

[–] Genericusername@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I really liked the times when features were added and not killed off.

10 years ago you could purchase a flagship phone with IR blaster for controlling whatever you couldn't find a remote for, or trolling people in public spaces by turning off their TVs. Cloud storage wasn't as popular, but if your phone died, the images were safe on the micrSD card. Bluetooth headsets were a thing, but you could always just use a cheap pair of headphones to stick in the headphone jack. People who desired it could install a custom ROM with all kinds of optimizations and less bloat. It used to be a lot more popular back then. Other than cameras, battery life, and reversible and more robust USB-C connectors, there isn't much innovation. I used to feel like I owned my device much more back then. Now I only use the stock ROM, can either use wireless headphones or ones that use the charging port. I can't insert a microSD, or test new features for Android ported from other devices by someone on XDA Developers. I'm not using the phone the way I want, but the way the companies who made it decided on.

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[–] NateNate60@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (11 children)

The base model of the iPhone still doesn't have USB 3 and won't have the latest USB-PD. The USB 2 standard was released over 20 years ago. The Lightning plug was released over 10 years ago. The plug technology on iPhones is seemingly being kept out of date on purpose. At least that is what people are complaining about.

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[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So stop buying them!

1/2 the people complaining about the lack of innovation will turn around and order a new iPhone within the next 12 months or so. Apple doesn't know or care about your snarky comments about them, but they sure as hell know you just gave them many hundreds of dollars for a new phone.

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[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I only hear: „mimimi, apple does not give me any reason to buy a new phone every year.“ just use your phone 5 years and try a new one then you will feel the difference. Source: I own a iPhone X and my girlfriend owns a iPhone 12 pro

[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

It's better for the environment anyway. Regardless of manufacturer. There's also almost no need to get a new device every year. Marginal hardware upgrades mean very little to average consumer, it's just a numbers race and most people don't really take their devices to the edge of performance.

[–] Four_lights77@lemm.ee 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The iPhone is their cash cow. They need it to bring stable and sizeable income to fund things like vr goggles. I’m not saying the haters are wrong, just that their expectations for what Apple will innovate on the iPhone might be a little misplaced.

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[–] 0Xero0@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

You don't buy Apple products for the technology or innovations anymore, now you buy Apple products for the bragging rights of being able to pay premium prices for things everyone else has been using for a decade that have a lot more features for a fraction of the price.

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[–] fruitleatherpostcard@lemm.ee 28 points 1 year ago

No matter what the subject, the NY Post is not even good for toilet paper.

[–] M500@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Usb-c is going to be a big deal for connecting devices to the phone. Now I don’t need to have some studios lightning adapter to plug in a usb drive or to get video out.

I look forward to experimenting with different things connected to see how they work. I’m curious how video out is handled. But I’m guessing I’ll be disappointed in most cases.

I expect being able to connect a usb drive will be helpful though.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Usb-c is going to be a big deal for connecting devices to the phone.

Android users welcome you to 2017...

Now I don’t need to have some studios lightning adapter to plug in a usb drive or to get video out.

...or not. Apple will limit USB-C to USB 2.0 speeds so... good luck with that.

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[–] Dick_Justice@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (4 children)

iPhone users wouldn't piss on the best part of an innovative phone if it was on fire. Who are we kidding?

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[–] unreachable@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

corporate wants to know the difference between these two phone versions

"its the same phone"

[–] Joker@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

“We put a bigger number on the box.”

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[–] bender@insaneutopia.com 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I would like to give apple credit for not rebranding USB Type-C and claiming they invented it.

[–] nucleative@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Didn't they actually participate in it's invention...?

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[–] 99nights@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Hear this remark every year now.

[–] Zealousideal_Fox900@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ngl they kinda are right. The last time I saw a feature that made me consider them was maybe like 4-6 years ago. I still bloody love Ipods tho.

[–] protput@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Did you forget about the groundbreaking feature of the removal of the audio jack?

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That’s probably true for most phones. There’s only so much you can do with the black obelisk they’ve all become and now we’re just quibbling over what external connections they have. I mean you could tweak the camera, put in a better battery, better processor…but the obelisk phone is done as far as what can be “innovated”.

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