My PTO notices are not a request. The "business" may request that I change my plans and I'll consider it but my PTO notices ARE NOT a requests.
this post was submitted on 30 Nov 2024
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I think "the needs of the business" include firing managers who make stupid decisions.
"The business needs you here, so I am going to fire you"
Fool played himself and cant even see the humilation
Fuck that. At my job we don't deny vacations. We make sure that no one is too important to take a vacation. Simple. Plus we let people known, "your PTO is yours, you figure out when to take it"
If the company is hurting, the CEO asks kindly during our all hands to take PTO if you can to help the company not acres during the tough period.
I can't quite figure out what the last sentence is supposed to be...
It be do like that
When I was a supervisor I had to reject a ton of PTO requests because we only had so many slots available in a day and our scheduling lady wouldn't work with me AT ALL. The only thing I could tell them was they can switch shifts with one of their coworkers or "You, know, you only have x points against your attendance and consecutive days off still only count as 1....". We had a lot more missed days due to people taking full advantage of the attendance policy than we would if we'd just scheduled them off the day they asked for. One of many reasons I got out of that job asap.
Any manager who talks about work like that in public isn’t a manager of any high caliber.
Probably just a gas station manager or some shit
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At work right now they're denying all the new vacation requests because we've got to make a bunch of products for customer. But they at least told us when the order was placed, so everybody took a vacation before the rush or planned one afterwards.
That is good management and good team mentality.
It sounds like poor planning on behalf of management to me. Unless you work in some kind of micro enterprise with <5 employees, good planning should leave sufficient capacity to enable at least some vacation time to continue.
The majority of businesses are small
My last help desk job we used to try to run at 70% capacity. Basically meaning you would be on a call 70% of time you were scheduled on the phone. That way when shit happened and we got busy there was capacity to handle it. People were happy and did their jobs well. Then new management came and decided we should aim for 100% and stopped letting us replace people as they left (they never explicitly said this but looking at the numbers when they did let us hire told the story). Everything went to shit after that. People were miserable, no one was able to help each other so there was no knowledge transfer and after the experienced people left they had to reduce their responsibilities down to just the most basic tasks and have the other app support teams take back over what the desk was previously doing for them. By the time I left the whole IT side of that company was a dumpster fire while the execs continued to try to grow the company without investing in it.
A little bit. But mistakes happen, it's a huge order, and they were transparent about it. I can accept that so long as it stays infrequent.
Depends on the timing.
Random time? Sure.
However, there's a tendency for certain times to have a lot of people to take off the same time. December, holidays, time that schools are out.
I had something similar happen once when I was a teenager, working McDonald's. Keep in mind, is not PTO it's just 'don't schedule me these days'. Handed my request to a manager like a month in advance. Before I went in the family vacation, double checked everything was fine. When I got back from vacation, went to work to get the next schedule only to get stopped and informed I was fired for 'no call no show'.
The one manager that didn't like me for some reason (honestly don't know why) had changed the schedule to explicitly get me fired. The manager I handed my request to was there and even said she remembered my request and putting it in the books but claimed there was nothing they could do.
Technically, I've been fired twice from McDonald's (second time was years later at a different McDonald's and basically the owner thought my hair was too long and I had 'girls hair'). So I cut McDonald's out of my life a long time ago. And it brings me great joy every time I read about McDonald's having financial problems or people not going there as much as they used to. I hope I live long enough to see McDonald's file for bankruptcy. And all the managers that wronged me, I've never forgotten. I wish them nothing but unhappiness and misfortune for all their days.
And all the managers that wronged me, I’ve never forgotten. I wish them nothing but unhappiness and misfortune for all their days.
seems like you already won tho. You left. They stayed.
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We may have worked at the same shitty McDonald's as teens lmao. I once requested off one single day several weeks in advance, because I had some school trip that day and wouldn't be in the state. A week from the trip I looked at the schedule and saw I was scheduled for that day, even though I had it approved weeks earlier. I asked my manager about it and made it very clear that I would not be able to come to work that day. They told me I needed to find a replacement or I'd get a "point" or whatever they did to keep track of people's "fuck-ups". I told the manager that I didn't have a way to contact any of the other people that worked at that McDonald's because I had just started working there and didn't have any of their numbers. The manager went and printed out a spreadsheet of every employee that worked at that location and their phone numbers (probably without their consent), and I called every single person on that list. There were probably close to a hundred names (I think it was a list of literally every person who had ever worked at that location, past or present), but no one was available to cover my shift. Trip day comes, I got a point, and then was "quiet fired" a couple months later when they just stopped putting me on the schedule (except for after I submitted a two weeks notice, where they scheduled me for an 8 hour shift on my last day 🙃). I too have avoided McDonald's ever since then.
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“For the needs of the business” to feel powerful.
This. The only "need" for the business being satisfied is that one manager's "need" to hear his own voice and to lord power over someone. And such managers are the ones whom, if I were in charge of the business, I'd make redundant in a heartbeat.
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Let me clarify: the business didn't need the employee to be there, it needed the employee to be pliable.
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I dunno who needs to hear this but, they need us more than we need them.
They keep trying to flex and act like they're in charge of everything because they sign the paychecks, the fact of the matter is that the money they give you is a paltry amount compared to what they're making from your labor. If you don't do the work, they won't make any money at all. Sure as shit the business owner isn't going to step up to do your job.
They need you. They want to convince you that you need them. They want to take your power away from you.
Employment is a two-way street. Anyone who will treat you like trash isn't worthy of your sweat.
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In the first world, we have employee protections that mean that a) pulling stuff like this in the first place is illegal and that b) bragging about it on social media means that when you get dragged in front of an employment relations tribunal, your lawyer caves their forehead in with their palm and tells you that you owe back pay and penalties
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Notice that they don’t mention WHAT the request was for? My money is on a funeral.
It's irrelevant what it was for, it's your paid time off, it's a part of your salary. America is soooooooo fucked, I'm so glad I don't have to deal with the bullshit I see here daily.
I literally told my employees back in the day that if for any reason a request was denied, just don't show up anyway. I also never asked for a reason for the request. The building won't burn down if you aren't here. Just keep in mind that someone has to pick up the slack and pay it forward.
My direct boss always wondered why employees would come in on off days to cover shifts when I was there, but not him. Don't be an ass, treat employees with respect, and surprise, surprise, people actually want to work.
Reminds me of my former employer. Would always give us time off when we requested it. Was always understanding if we needed time away or had issues going on that impacted us work. When I gave my 2 weeks notice I told him to call me if he needed cover as I knew him and his wife were going on holiday soon (the guy almost never takes proper time off). Nearly a month later he calls and mentioned one of his newer employees was out sick. Very enthusiastically agreed to come back for a week to cover them as I had started my own business. Lovely people and would always cover a skip like that in a heart beat. They’re few and far between.
I've managed people for 20 years, and I've never denied a PTO request. The business has never collapsed because of that.
We have Dec 24th and 25th off this year. My entire team requested Monday, Dec 23rd off. I denied all of them (after securing it as a paid holiday).
To be clear, the employer loses on the unemployment claim with this one without a big packet of documentation.
"no one wants to work" [for dicks].
I got fired as a teenager for visiting my late grandfather on his deathbed. I was fired within a few days of his death.
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hired somewhere else a week later
They forget, they're as disposable as we are.
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