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We can get a computer to tag the birds, answer questions about them, and generate new pictures of them.

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[–] wantd2B1ofthestrokes@discuss.tchncs.de 211 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well research teams have been working on it 10 years

[–] dbilitated@aussie.zone 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

they did good

edit: tbh honest i think it was around 5 years ago i started being able to identify things with google lens on my phone. they worked fast!

[–] Goodtoknow@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago

And crazy how not only can tools recognize birds but generate novel new images of them.

[–] zepplenzap@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 year ago
[–] DannyMac@lemmy.world 95 points 1 year ago

Did you miss the part that said "I'll need a research team and 5 years?" The XKCD character did it! SUCCESS!

[–] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 82 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

More than 5 years then. The comic was right, with the difference that it took more than 1 single team of researchers to solve it

[–] Zetaphor@zemmy.cc 69 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have a book on learning Pytorch, this XKCD is in the first chapter and implementing this is the first code practice. It's amazing how things progress.

[–] oldfart@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you recommend that book? Title?

[–] Zetaphor@zemmy.cc 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes I do! It's a pretty great overview that isn't extremely math heavy

The book is "Deep Learning for Coders with Fastai and PyTorch: AI Applications Without a PhD"

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1492045527

[–] oldfart@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Thanks! Not math heavy is good.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 59 points 1 year ago

Not obsolete? More like prophetic.

[–] transigence@kbin.social 37 points 1 year ago

Computer vision was just popping off five years after that, so I would say that it is prescient.

[–] obosob@feddit.uk 36 points 1 year ago

Even with AI models that can identify that there are birds in the picture. Having it decide with accuracy that the picture is of a bird is still a hard problem.

[–] modulojs@programming.dev 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I remember this one. It seems as spot on now as it was then, IMO. It's not trying to say that object detection is magic or impossible, since it was totally possible then as well. It just requires a dedicated team + time + money to pay them, which is what this comic was trying to express. It is true there are more off-the-shelf software available for newer programmers now than there was before, so dev time is shorter, but that's more just degrees of comfort / budget as opposed to anything fundamentally different.

[–] tvbusy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago

It could have been the other way around if global positioning systems were either not developed or used only by the military. In that case, detecting scenery of a park could be easier than trying to figure out the position on the map.

Or it could just be that maps data are not shared. You'll need to hire boats and hire people to go and draw the map.

[–] satrunalia44@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's true, even if the specific example doesn't hold, the core concept does. If I needed to implement a bird detector today, I'd make an API call to AWS Rekognition or an equivalent service. It would take me a day or two to learn the API and then maybe 4 hours to actually implement. But if you asked me to implement a bird species detector, I'm pretty sure there is no off the shelf API capable of that, and I would indeed need months or years.

[–] GamesRevolution@programming.dev 33 points 1 year ago

It's actually even more correct because it underestimated the time needed by 5 years

[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 1 year ago

I used to put this in my object detection presentations 5 years ago and it never failed to draw chuckles from the audience.

Shit has been going really really fast.

[–] uskok@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Why do you think it's obsolete? I suppose nowadays we can use AI generative models to explain the difference between the easy and the virtually impossible, but it still can be hard.

[–] vox@sopuli.xyz 18 points 1 year ago

... it's still true...

[–] technom@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

Epilogue: She got what she asked for and completed the work 5 years ago.

[–] predmijat@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

One of the coolest things I've seen this month: https://www.lerf.io/

[–] Poik@pawb.social 2 points 1 year ago

Not only is this not obsolete, it's close to biographical as it closely references the first and second Artificial Intelligence Winters. The first being in the 60s. We've been working on these for a long time, so 5 years is short. It took until GPGPU to kick into full gear and some clever insights to get Deep Learning up and running (somewhat attributed to work published in 2011) to start reliably on this problem, and even that is an oversimplification of the timeline and the scope.

Others have mentioned oddities like the difficulty of subject matter (picture contains a bird vs picture of a bird) but there are a lot harder problems that are trivial to humans and counterintuitively incredibly hard for computers.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Or just do what iNaturalist does and have the community identify the photo

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

I talk about this a lot. It's a conspiracy theory of mine that this comic spurred the AI image tech we have today.