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[โ€“] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm sorry but the fact that people are so outraged with Biden for doing this is exactly why Kamala lost.

Trump and the Democrats are held to completely different standards. Trump is willing to fight dirty to win at all costs, and that's why he won. It sucks to hear but it's true.

[โ€“] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 hours ago

Democrats are also willing to fight dirty to win at all cost. They just did

You are confused what winning means for them. It is not forgiving student loan or raising minimum wage.

[โ€“] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 53 points 1 day ago (3 children)

At this point, of cours ehe should

People will rightfully call him out and then forget about it by tomorrow when trump says something stupid.

Once trump gets in office, no one will ever be able to remember any of this because the shit will be a full never ending flow into a turbine

[โ€“] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 day ago

Once trump gets in office, no one will ever be able to remember any of this because the shit will be a full never ending flow into a turbine

Yep. There's literally a massive laundry list of BS trump did in 2016.

Biden honestly can do whatever the hell he wants because it'll be completely buried in three months.

[โ€“] menemen@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Looking at Trumps upcomming cabinet I am both in horror and anticipation for what is going to happen. We'll either see a slow decline of US power, a world war or just nothing great will happen at all.

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[โ€“] Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not only that, he's never running again, he has literally nothing to lose, and doing this isn't going to affect votes/popularity of whoever runs next.

99% of people in his position would do the same.

[โ€“] josephmbasile@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Causality is a bit more complicated than that unfortunately for him.

[โ€“] AidsKitty@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's funny that so many actually believed his BS. All so they could convince themselves they were "the good people". It's just so ridiculous.

[โ€“] Krauerking@lemy.lol 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They didn't punch us directly. They paid people for that. That's why they are better than everyone. See how they sit above us?

You really start to get all those older writings about the dangers of upper classes cause they really do get apathetic and assume moral superiority just on existence after a while.

[โ€“] AidsKitty@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

There is one party closely associated with judging others and is filled with elitist snobs.

[โ€“] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wait when did Biden abuse his powers to prevent fascism?

Currently he's creating a comfy transition for one to become president.

[โ€“] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That was the point, he didn't. he used it selfishly for his son. which is understandable. but we're mocking him for it because he didn't use it to do anything useful. Which coincidentally is also why we didn't want to keep him or harris as president.

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[โ€“] Knightfox@lemmy.one 69 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

Yo, we're in Trump land now, Fascism already won my dudes. Biden is just seeing the writing on the wall and adapting to the change. Trump already pardoned Jared Kushner's criminal dad, so why not pardon your own son now? The game is changed and if you're still holding on to ethical ideals you're a fool. At the very least Biden is making sure they can't chase his son as part of a witch hunt next year.

People voted for Trump or failed to turn out for Kamila, either way everyone now needs to get used to the new norm.

EDIT: The irony of blasting Biden for going against his word in his son's best interest while Trump is about to become president is the most laughable hypocrisy I've ever seen. If this group is actually just a bunch of super leftist and not foreign manipulation then I look forward to watching y'all eat crow as Israel wipes out Palestine, the US leaves NATO, and western democracy collapses.

[โ€“] BaldManGoomba@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Not like either side is helping us. Kamala, Democrats, and Joe biden ran the last 4 years quietly and campaigned on no change. They lost the election by not convincing 250k voters in 4 states to not vote for them.

Joe biden pardoning his son is his legacy. Joe said he would be a one term president then tried to run for a second term ruining a primary. Democrats chose Kamala harris and she accepted. This country was founded on old people letting go of power and stepping aside and down. If George Washington wanted to he could have been a king. The old dems are grasping at power and control rather than trusting a populist candidate.

Joe Biden could be abusing his power and fighting for change from the bully pulpit to affect Americans and make an outcry but instead went back in his word twice and pardoned his son abusing his power for selfish gain.

Kamala instead of campaigning to fight hatred and cause change went with joy and changing nothing . She even capituatated to right wing talking points moving Democrats to the right. Even though policy wise leftist policy is good and ppopular policy.

Lastly the democrats ran a Hilary Clinton style campaign being a nerd with stats and defended institutions. Obama won because change Biden won because change.

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[โ€“] Naadan@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Not a USAmerican, so not exactly talking about the politics, but some issues.

The irony of blasting Biden for going against his word in his son's best interest while Trump is about to become president is the most laughable hypocrisy I've ever seen

Why not?
It's not like Trump is supported by the leftists in lemmy.

It just shows them that Biden is not very different from Trump. They have been saying that and pushing for 3rd parties or other President nominees.
Biden chooses to do this rather than set guardrails or do something to ensure that Trump is not given free reign.

This is further validation for their view.

And since Trump becoming president is a grave thing, does it mean that the Democrats are bad, because they have not done enough to stop it?

I look forward to watching y'all eat crow as Israel wipes out Palestine, the US leaves NATO, and western democracy collapses.

Palestine is being wiped out even under Biden.
US leaving Nato would be big, but we can never know how the effects would be like, right?

[โ€“] menemen@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah it is weird how self righteous liberals react towards being shown over and over that their group is to blame for this shitshow.

But I doubt the US will ever leave NATO without a coup happening in the US. The US would basically lose more than half their geopolitical influence.

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[โ€“] Alpha71@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

He's retiring and can help his one son. If I were him, I would have said "fuck it." too...

[โ€“] TBi@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

And the people clearly voted overwhelmingly for fascism. So like, why go against the will of the people?

[โ€“] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I also would have said fuck it and have Trump and friends sent to guantanamo.

The time to do this would've been immediately after it was discovered that Trump took classified documents and had them in his home during visits from foreign agents.

The Republicans would've howled about it, but I think it could have been done, at that moment. Like, have the first news about it not be talking about the documents, but simply that former President Trump has been detained and will not be allowed to communicate with anyone but his legal representation, because of suspicion of potential coded communication to enemy agents.

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[โ€“] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

I'll admit it, your meme was a lot nicer about it.

[โ€“] Fontasia@feddit.nl 7 points 1 day ago

New York Times gonna blame this when he falls from a building in January

[โ€“] popcap200@lemmy.ml 130 points 2 days ago (67 children)

I literally don't care about the Hunter pardon. Trump pardoned Russian spies. I think pardoning a child for a dumb drug offence is fine. ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

[โ€“] queermunist@lemmy.ml 122 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I care that he's not pardoning people in immigration detention. Instead he just pardons his crackhead son and leaves.

[โ€“] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 53 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yup he could on the way out make dreamers and none criminal migrant citizens but nope. Remember it's a small club and we ain't in it. Also shows Democratic leadership is happy with any outcome of elections because they still come out on top regardless. Did Nancy Pelosi's or Obama's life become more difficult because of the election? Nope. Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries are still going to get their beachfront Villas in Gaza. So they never really try to win.

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[โ€“] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 43 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I love it how the liberals think "Well Trump did it too!" is some kind of own. America is so comically corrupt it is hard to take their government and the people who support it seriously

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[โ€“] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 104 points 2 days ago (24 children)

Here is the only issue I have with the pardon. Once Kamala lost, Biden should have started to go hog wild with last minute shenanigans in order to give Americans things they actually need. Instead he decided to pardon Hunter a full month before leaving office rather than helping us out and doing the pardon on the last day. Now, even if he does do things that will help Americans, nobody will notice because of the pardon.

[โ€“] orcrist@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

I think Biden should have gone hog wild with shenanigans that Americans actually need 4 years ago, but you're right that now would still be a good time.

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[โ€“] Asafum@feddit.nl 56 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

DNC: We're the friendly fascists. We choose the corporation over the people in all aspects. We still worship the oligarchy the MAGA fascists will incorporate, we just choose the honey of caring about social issues as opposed to the vinegar of hating the others.

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[โ€“] EvilZ@thelemmy.club 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Let's face it for elites.... They are not American, they are Elites that use America as their playground ... The Biden tanked the Harris campaign out of spite and don't care who gets in as it doesn't really affect them.

These are extremely rich people..... Unless we are in Red China, they have nothing to fear

[โ€“] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

No offense, but Harris more than capably tanked her own campaign by being as milquetoast as biden when it comes to supporting the working class.

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[โ€“] psmgx@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Red China is long gone mon ami. Communism with Chinese Characteristics loves the rich, but only if you're aligned to the correct clique.

[โ€“] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

This is a common statement by those who haven't read theory, especially among the Western Left, but this isn't true in any capacity. Billionaires are regularly executed in the PRC, the fact that the PRC has a private sector doesn't mean it has shifted away from Marxism-Leninism. The entire reason Marx predicted Socialism, ie Public Ownership and Central Planning, to overtake Capitalism is because markets naturally prepare the foundations for Socialism. Competition forces more and more companies to consolidate and grow, develop their own infrastructure for planning, which can be siezed and used by the public.

Question 17 : Will it be possible to abolish private property at one stroke?

Answer : No, no more than the existing productive forces can at one stroke be multiplied to the extent necessary for the creation of a communal society. Hence, the proletarian revolution, which in all probability is approaching, will be able gradually to transform existing society and abolish private property only when the necessary means of production have been created in sufficient quantity.

-Engels, The Principles of Communism

Half the economy of the PRC is in the Public Sector, and another almost tenth is in the cooperative sector. The Private Sector covers mostly light industry that depends on Publicly Owned industries like steel and public infrastructure. As Capital consolidates in the Markets, the CPC increases ownership. I recommend reading Socialism Developed China, Not Capitalism. Markets are more efficient at lower levels of development, and Public Ownership and Planning is more efficient at higher levels of development.

If you want to learn more about Marxism, I made an introductory Marxist reading list.

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[โ€“] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I'm torn.

It's bad to pardon family, but at the same time, I'd fully support pardoning a random person who had a no-prison plea deal the judge threw out after the defendant admitted guilt.

Especially when the crime that resulted in a jail time sentence is one that's almost exclusively used as an add-on for violent offenders. Any person with a medical Marijuana card and a gun or who ate half a gummy at a friend's house in a state where it's legal while their gun was locked in a safe at home has committed the same crime.

But it also looks bad for him to pardon his son, and Trump's sycophants will absolutely cling to this.

[โ€“] orcrist@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How it looks is beside the point. If it's moral then it's moral, and people who are looking at it need to deal with it. As for what Trump's sycophants will do, they're going to do crazy s*** anyway.

When judges ignore plea deals, they are asking for people to strip them of power. That's what happened here, the judge deserved what they got. If you can't find justice in the courts, then to hell with the courts.

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