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[–] BrownianMotion@lemmy.world 116 points 1 day ago (6 children)

We are sick of the arseholes that are running the power companies, and we are sick of the outrageous prices they are charging for electricity.

Simple as that.

10 years ago, my gas bill was $80 a month. Today (and nothing has changed) it is almost $300 a month. Same shit has happened with Electricity and water. They are fucking scum.

They can go fuck themselves. If there was a free version of gas like electricity, I would install it in an instant. (I only use gas for kitchen hob, my BBQ outside - both of which get fuck all use, and my hot water which only really gets used when I wash my balls in the morning.) 300% price hike in 10 years.... They can all suck my balls,

[–] Vash63@lemmy.world 80 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sounds like you should be in the market for an electric boiler and induction cooktop.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Seriously... If he's spending ~3k a year on gas and even half of that is cooking, an induction stove would pay for itself within a few years.

Same for the water heater. The fossil fuel industry didn't spend decades promoting gas because it was the most efficient option.

[–] Evil_incarnate@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

It's not even all usage, it's all the other fees they slap on to make more profit.

[–] NoForwardslashS@sopuli.xyz 53 points 1 day ago

You could save money on gas by not washing your balls every morning, seeing as you're planning on getting the energy company execs to suck them anyway.

[–] troed@fedia.io 17 points 1 day ago

Some countries (like Sweden) don't use gas at all for home heating or cooking. We went fully electric in the 70s when we built up our nuclear reactor fleet (sadly, some of now have been closed due to the "nukes are bad" crowd) and that helps a lot now when it comes to relying on renewables.

[–] Meron35@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Check if your state government offers any upgrade incentives. Most of them offer rebates for upgrading appliances, e.g. for upgrades to heat pump water heaters.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 8 points 1 day ago

I’d get solar if y’know I could afford a property.

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[–] eleitl@lemm.ee 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's what hydrogen production from water electrolysis is for.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ohh, you gave me an idea! Given that it also happens in CA, maybe we should use the excess for freshwater production from seawater.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

That still leaves the brine problem. Youve just traded one for another.

Hydrogen wouldn't cause another problem.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Some could be used in molten salt reactors/batteries, no?

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

I imagine so, but were talking about at best case of a 50% water 50% brine solution with reverse osmosis, and worse if it's a thermal desalination plant. It's a fuck ton of liquid, more than we could ever hope to use in a reactor like that.

Some other ideas are evaporate the brine and use the salt for roads in winter, but again, it's more than we could manage at scale, and salting roads isn't ideal either.

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Are you saying that we could make use of sodium metal for batteries of all sorts at reasonable prices due to it's over abundance by just getting more of it using solar power?

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I don't know if the output of the desalination is what we actually need or how much refinement it would need, but the salt output would probably still outpace our ability to use it. Sodium is just 1 factor of building these newer batteries.

e.g Tesla has a factory with a 40gwh storage output when fully scaled, and it's taken years to get there. Cells weren't the only factor in that.

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[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

Brine, eh? Well we do grow lots of cucumbers....

;-)

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Seen some math on the mountains of salt we would have to move. Very discouraging for desalinization and/or getting hydrogen that way.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

We don't have to get the hydrogen from sea water. It really just depends on where the excess is. Maybe that's not great for Australia or California... but for other places it could be.

[–] MinFapper@startrek.website 3 points 1 day ago

Ka...booom!

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[–] FuryMaker@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm getting to that point where I'm willing to pay more to install solar, and a battery or two, just so I don't pay electrical providers as much each quarter.

[–] AustralianSimon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We're also contemplating batteries because the amount you get paid to feed solar in isn't like for like with usage. 25c cost vs 3c feed in.

[–] FuryMaker@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I couldn't care less about the 'profit' for feed in, it's just about not relying or paying energy providers. I keep getting told by Solar companies that batteries aren't cost effective yet.

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[–] Nighed@feddit.uk 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Good for them! Theoretically that should attract industries that need a lot of electricity and everything balances out cost and demand wise.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago (7 children)
[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Fuck bitcoin. It should be allocated to desalinisation so less water is pulled from the rivers of the driest continent on Earth. The ecology around waterways is already in the shitter, and global warming is going to 10x that clusterfuck.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

That is a good option too. How long does it take to spool up or ramp down desalination? I mentioned Bitcoin mining because it's super fast to come online or go offline depending on the energy requirements at the moment.

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[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago

Steel, aluminium and battery production can also make good use of lots of cheap renewable energy.

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[–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 28 points 1 day ago (3 children)

How about investing in grid energy storage, to cope with intermittent production?

[–] frezik@midwest.social 16 points 1 day ago (4 children)

They are. Modeling has shown that getting Australia to 98.8% renewable is highly achievable.

https://cosmosmagazine.com/technology/energy/grid-renewable-electricity-simulation/

[–] Womble@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Austrailia is one of the best places in the world to do that, but it should be pointed out that the article you linked wants 120GWh of batteries (costing ~12 billion USD at current Li-ion prices) as well as building more than 38GW of wind power and 30GW of solar power in order to meet ~25GW of average demand and that still needs pumped hydro on top and more than 9GW of fossil fuel power to make up the gaps.

It's just about feasible in Australia with excess sun and wind, plenty of empy space, low population density and terrain amenable to hydro storage. But it isnt realy generalisable to most other places.

[–] DaBPunkt@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

30GW of solar is not much. Germany built 13GW this year.

[–] Womble@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Germany has more than 3 times the population of Australia, and the article linked needed to be able to generate 30GW peak so likely required more installed capacity, and solar is only 1 element out of 5 required in that scenario.

Again it does seem to be feasible to get renewable only in Australia (or close to) but I dont think that tells you much about elsewhere

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