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[–] not_that_guy05@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (9 children)

We really are in WW3 we just haven't noticed it fully yet.

[–] Invertedouroboros@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

I can't remember when I came to the realization, but for years now I thought that if (and I would love to hold on to the naive hope that it is an "if") WW3 breaks out then the battle lines would be drawn between the forces of autocracy and democracy. Those would be our sides.

Now, I'm not even sure democracy is gonna make it out the gate... America's elected a dictator who's aligned with Russia who is itself a major factor of this unholy autocratic alliance with China, North Korea, and Iran... Now this?

There were no "good guys" in world war 1. It was the result of squabbleing European powers not realizing the destructive potential modern military technology had and how much that changed the game. It needed to happen in the sense that countries couldn't continue to act the way they had prior to the great war, but that doesn't mean anyone was in the right.

It's hard to imagine "good guys" in world war 3 either. Increasingly, it kinda just seems like it's a choice between "what shit flavor of authoritarianism do you hate less?". Assuming that question even matters considered all the nuclear weapons that could fly in a third world war.

I dunno man, shit's just looking pretty fucking bleak.

[–] Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

We are still mostly in the stage where it might be diplomatically avoided, but if it does start, yes, this will have been a small part of the start of it. Like the last couple of decades to varying degrees at various points. It's still potentially avoidable, but honestly, in some places, it feels like it has already been going for a long time. Currently, they don't count as part of a world war, but if a world war breaks out, they will then retroactively count as part of it. If everything settles down before getting to that point, then these will have been individual events that were largely connected to a similar crisis.

It's not like anyone knew at the time what day world war 1 and 2 started on the days we now consider them to have officially started. For world war 1, there was really no precedent. So they certainly would have had no idea on the day we consider it to have started. Used to take months to even find out 2 other countries were at war, let alone the time it took to them react to that information and muster up support or further opposition. World wars only really became possible once world-wide near instantaneous communication was available. I'm not sure how long it even took to coin the phrase "world war", but they figured that would be the only time something like that would ever happen, considering not only the cost/rammifications, but how widespread word of how bad it was could be with such quick communication.

No one would soon forget the various costs... but then we had a source of motivation that outgrew those costs. So world war 2. At least we knew what to call it this time. People were probably a bit less fuzzy on the day it officially started, but a lot of that would have to do with what country they lived in. And it still eventually mostly had to be hammered out by historians to really figure out what all should be considered part of it.

So, it's still a bit schroedinger's WW3, all these events are in the box waiting to see what they will eventually be called once it's time to examine the contents of the box.

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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not a good look, and I have a hard time seeing the people of South Korea accept this and just rolling over. Ugh.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

But the military seems to be going along with it, blocking out legislators (even from Yoon's own party).

And, uh, the precedent for that isn't good, even if a majority dont support it.

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm sure this will just be a misunderstanding that will be cleared up in no time. Let me know when that happens.

... I'll be in my bunker.

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[–] Gork@lemm.ee 18 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Should.. we be alarmed by this?

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

It's not their first time descending into a dictatorship.

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[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 1 day ago (7 children)

can't they have a no-confidence vote?

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yoon cited a motion by the country's opposition Democratic Party, which has a majority in parliament

hol up, just how this happens

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