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ID: Drawing of a duck billed platypus underwater, they're wearing a rainbow coloured t shirt and a pink bum-bag, and saying: "Ally is not something you can self-identify as, it's a title that you earn. Let your actions speak for themselves!"

Credit: Sophie Labelle

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

ITT people are thinking this post is about them, but it feels like it's more targeted at the "The A is for ally!" types. (Thinking A in LGBTQIA is for ally instead of asexual.)

[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 hours ago

Why not both? 🤷‍♀️

I feel like the two groups are close to a circle in a Venn diagram - privileged people there to make it about themselves (in the form of self aggrandization and claiming non-existent victimhood and marginalisation) rather than about the marginalised people they claim to support (and only do superficially and entirely conditionally).

[–] transhetwarrior@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I've had people misgender me and try to convince me not to transition and then go claim to be trans allies because they don't call people slurs and will say that killing trans people is bad if asked

[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 10 points 22 hours ago

That sucks. It's bigotry and then gaslighting, and then on top of it all we're somehow to blame for them being that way because we're not eternally grateful and fawn all over them for reluctantly giving us the barest of bare minimum decency and respect, and therefor leave them no choice (in their eyes of course).

[–] giantfloppycock@lemm.ee 135 points 1 day ago (28 children)

I agree with speaking with your actions here, but at the same time, this seems like some weirdly unnecessary gatekeeping.

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[–] nifty@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago

Divide and conquer is a strategy as old as time. Can’t fault you for trying.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 36 points 1 day ago (4 children)

This sentiment is pretty much why the progressive movement is fucked.

The right leans hard into meme warfare, using whatever propaganda opportunities they can.

Meanwhile the left has endless debates about the purity of their efforts.

We’re so fucked.

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[–] misterdoctor@lemmy.world 68 points 1 day ago (17 children)

Counterpoint: you can absolutely self identify as an Ally. For example, I self identity as an Ally and there ain’t shit this adorable platypus can do to stop me.

I’m an Ally because I choose to be, by my words and my actions and the example I set for my children every day. I don’t need an attaboy from any marginalized group to confirm I’m on the right side of history. We do what’s right because it’s right. Full stop.

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[–] LANIK2000@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago

Slightly unrelated rant.

I'm tried of these culture wars. It's complete nonsense. I'm not particularly LGBT+ but it shouldn't matter. This is about freedom for fucks sake! People just want to live and exercise their human rights! Anybody telling others they mustn't exist their way is an enemy of humanity! The fact that people get denied jobs and even have their rights restricted, just because some asshole finds out the ID doesn't match is fucking repulsive!

Recently had a chat with my aunt and she just "you can't expect people to immediately accept changes", shut the fuck up! It's not a change! It's a core value that's been in our constitution for longer than any of us have been alive. But clearly, despite being raise on these values, I'm the only one who believes them. Like some fucking santa claus shit!

[–] wick@lemm.ee 36 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I got mine from the Emperor of Gay People in the mail just this Friday. I framed it and put it next to my n-word pass on the mantle.

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[–] jerakor@startrek.website 7 points 23 hours ago

Taking actions to be an Ally has risks for folks in some places. Where I am LBGTQA+ support is the norm and doesn't really need to be spoken and when it is I've never heard anyone in over 10 years say a negative thing.

I have online though seen folks who try to speak up in Allyship of someone else get taken down. Subjected to purity tests by folks in an LGBTQA+ supporting community. It felt like the same bi erasure I've experienced and the same transphobia I've seen from parts of the LG community in the 2000s. It's like saying someone isn't gay if they haven't come out. All it does is lessen the crew.

LGBTQA+ shouldnt be treated as a club with a rainbow dress code. It should be the future default standpoint of all of humanity.

[–] CuriousRefugee@lemmy.ml 46 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Before I realized and came out as bi, I was in the GSA (gay-straight alliance) in high school as a "straight." My state was voting to ban gay marriage at the time, and we campaigned against it. I got just as much if not more hate from people than the LGBT members. Maybe because they viewed them as a lost cause? It was usually adults yelling at a 17-year-old kid for being a "betrayer" and a "pervert lover" (I liked that one), just because I supported two consenting adults marrying regardless of gender. Staunch allies definitely earn the title.

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[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

it can be as simple as flying a rainbow flag

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 5 points 11 hours ago

My wife and I are queer and have a pride flag on our house. One day a couple of kids came to our door while we were out of town. I was very worried because they were young and alone in the evening and we weren't home. We answered them with the doorbell camera. They said they were queer and just wanted us to know that they're happy to see pride flags in the area to know they're not alone.

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