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I spotted this change in the Steam Deck kernel by a Valve employee that is testing HDMI CEC for a new device. Interestingly, it appears to share at least some hardware similarity to Google ChromeOS devices (only because the change is in the ChromeOS Embedded Controller driver).

The device appears to be being developed on a platform codenamed the "AMD Lilac." Whether this is the SOC or refers a development board that Valve is developing with is unclear to me. On Geekbench there are references to the AMD Lilac, most of which use the AMD 8540U (it's possible that this won't be the final SoC of the device, as these are all likely prototype boards). There are a few earlier references in Geekbench with earlier SoCs.

Pure speculation: I'm guessing it's a console, set top box, or something similar that is supposed to connect to a TV and not a handheld or VR headset, given that HDMI CEC seems to be an important feature. The inclusion of ChromeOS hardware is confusing.

Pure speculation on the updates to ChromeOS EC: This is the most surprising thing to me.

  • Maybe the device could just be using the hardware and drivers for ChromeOS devices while still running just SteamOS, but I don't see the point in Valve doing that.
  • Maybe there's some sort of collaboration with Google, as Valve is actually working with them to bring Steam to ChromeOS.
  • I think it's plausible (at least) that fremont will run a Steam client on top of ChromeOS instead of SteamOS.
  • Diving into deeper speculation, this may allow Valve to run existing Android apps on the same device, specifically Android TV apps, which would make sense if this is something like an Nvidia Shield competitor. ChromeOS is just about the only OS that can officially run both Android TV apps and desktop Steam on the same OS.
  • I find it likely that for a gaming and media-focused Steam box, Valve will want to have an existing ecosystem of media and streaming apps optimized for TV. If so, I think it’s a smart way to push into this market without needing to convince, say, all the streaming services to build apps for a new device.

The prototype board is much faster than Steam Deck:

Geekbench CPU result for Lilac (8540U): 2550 for single core and in the 9000s for multicore https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/8301932

  • Steam Deck is in the 1300-1400 range for single core and in the 4000s for multicore

Geekbench GPU result for Lilac (8540U): 66807 https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/compute/2323659

  • Steam Deck tends to be within the mid 10000s to mid 20000s

The greatly improved performance, to me, suggests a TV box, as the 8540U at handheld TDPs would score much more competitively with the Steam Deck.

Commit by a Valve employee 4 weeks ago adding code to test CEC for a new device \"fremont\"

Shows testing of an CEC implementation on an \"AMD Lilac\" in the ChromeOS Embedded Controller driver.

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[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Lilac is an AMD dev platform, it's used to do early development before you have the real platform in hand to work with. It's been spotted in the wild running 7700 HS, 8500 U and Zen3 embedded <55W SoCs - there's no way to extrapolate new steam hardware performance info from this reliably.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It could be reference hardware for 3rd parties looking to make SteamOS devices. We at know that's happening.

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, that was my thinking too. Lilac is a generic enough platform that OEMs can do the bulk of their platform work with a lilac dev kit before they have real hardware in hand for the last 10%.

Valve hasn't even announced their own steam machine yet have they? I'd be betting on ASUS to be first to market with whatever's in the pipe from OEMs.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah, that was my thinking too. Lilac is a generic enough platform that OEMs can do the bulk of their platform work with a lilac dev kit before they have real hardware in hand for the last 10%.

What's weird is that this is using the deprecated embedded controller. Goolge themselves moved to a successor named Zephyr EC years ago: https://source.chromium.org/chromiumos/chromiumos/codesearch/+/main:src/platform/ec/docs/zephyr/README.md

Valve hasn’t even announced their own steam machine yet have they? I’d be betting on ASUS to be first to market with whatever’s in the pipe from OEMs.

Valve didn't announce anything. They technically didn't even announce Deadlock. I think whatever will be announced, we'll see next month at CES any my personal opinion is that a new generation ROG Ally with a SteamOS option is at the forefront (no way Asus isn't also making a Windows one but perhaps with less fanfare).

[–] abeltramo@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There's an interesting article published a couple days ago about future plans for Valve: https://www.theverge.com/2024/12/6/24315098/valve-steam-machines-steamos-steam-deck-vr Sounds like they really are working on a standalone console, exciting times!

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

https://www.theverge.com/2024/12/6/24315098/valve-steam-machines-steamos-steam-deck-vr Sounds like they really are working on a standalone console

That's about devices by 3rd party hardware OEMs.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Precioussss.... we wants it!

[–] warmaster@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Could Waydroid have anything to do with this device? Wouldn't Chrome OS EC mean Waydroid wouldn't be needed ?

Context: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2024/09/valve-appear-to-be-testing-arm64-and-android-support-for-steam-on-linux/

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Could Waydroid have anything to do with this device?

No, not specifically. The embedded controller is just a piece of hardware, apparently optimized for low power consumption and it is already compatible with Linux, so it makes sense to reuse that instead of making your own.

My guess is Waydroid will be used to bring Quest VR games to the stand-alone VR headset.

[–] warmaster@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Damn. I was hoping Valve would make using Waydroid dead easy

I was thinking just recently they should make a tv stick and a tablet.