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It annoys me even though I'm still in the U.S.
Edit: For everyone saying CVs and resumes are different, that might be literally the case, but that is not how job applications are using them. I just went to this one:
The only correct format is from greatest to smallest: yyyy-mm-dd
This is, in my mind, verifiable by noting the way that lists are ordered when using this format. They are sequential. This isn’t true for either of the other formats.
As a programmer I agree. I have fucked around with trying to parse unrestricted user inputs of dates and I have found out.
Year first is the only way I can actually know which value is day vs. month.
Yep, most to least significant is great because you can sort dates temporally with a numeric/string sort.
When you are writing the date, the only correct way is ISO8601 (YYYY-MM-DD). If you’re speaking to someone (verbal communication) then do whatever you want.
when making someone a cup of tea, the only correct way is ISO3103. if youre making it for yourself then do whatever you want.
Holy shit, that ISO is real. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3103
It is and makes an ok, but reproducible cup of tea. As per the relevant Tom Scott video mentioned in the article.
There is a reason though. It’s because you probably want to put dates in order and when you ask a computer to sort things for you, it will automatically order things correctly when the date follows this format. If you put the month first, then the day, then the year, the default sorting behavior will order things incorrectly chronologically speaking.
when you ask a computer to sort things for you, it will automatically order things correctly when the date follows this format
I'd go even further than that, and point out that the reason why computers sort things in this order is because that's the most logical way to convey specific dates.
Most significant digits on the left, descending left to right, in order, is how we do all other numerical representations. It's only dates that we have different norms.
Any important document I have is named 'yyyymmdd(number)(briefdescription)'. Sort by name or date, I don't care
The date thing is infuriating because the American date format just shouldn't exist
ISO is best. There's no debate there. From a data science perspective, YYYY/MM/DD is the only reasonable choice.
But most of the time you're using dates, you're only concerned with the month and day. That's the very reason we don't use ISO in our daily lives. If you started every mention of a date with the year, people would think you're a crazy person, or a time traveler, or perhaps a recently-awakened coma patient. There's just no need to begin with the year. Next Wednesday, 2024 December 18.
If you exclude the year, then the choice is month/day or day/month. Between the two, month/day is far more useful for the same reasons ISO is best. If I need both the month and the day, then I want the month first. The only time I would want the day first is if the month doesn't matter, and I can omit the month in that case. Giving me the day first and then the month forces me to wait for the month and then remember the day. It's inefficient transfer of information. If you exclude the year, MM/DD is objectively, if only marginally, better than DD/MM.
But then why would anyone use MM/DD/(YY)YY? Because we're already using MM/DD.
Ahem - there is a debate... it's over / vs. -. As is proper - all true debates should be over minor formatting decisions (soft tabs over my fucking dead body).
MM/DD/YYYY would annoy me wherever it’s from, because it’s wilfully perverse.
It's from the country that elected a pervert, so...
Do you have any idea how little that narrow it down?
I'm not from either place.
I was under the impression that a CV and a resume are different things. A CV is a general compilation of all things you've done, and a resume is a curated list used for applying to jobs.
I do know that they're used interchangeably for the most part, but this is how I was explained the difference in practice.
It doesn't "annoy" me.
I like employers to be open and honest about their various incompetencies. Saves time.
There's a few other warning signs in that statement too - nice of them sift themselves out so quickly.
Without going into the rabbit hole of explaining:
Curriculum Vitae: all your education, training, experience, skills. Can be multiple pages. Resume: the highlights + relevant for the application. Preferred on one page. Resume goes on top of the CV.
They're similar, but used for different purposes. According to UC Davis (University of California), these are the differences
"CV" is definitely not only used for academic positions in the UK. They almost always say CV instead of resume. That's much less common than the date format.