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[–] Lemming421@lemmy.world 56 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Honestly, vapes are so new, disposable ones should never have been legalised.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

These vapes been around for 20+ years, they have just become trendier now, maybe because they got smaller

[–] Lemming421@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

We knew about the environment and recycling 20 years ago…

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 6 points 3 days ago

Only thing that changed is production started of single use, China is pumping these things out and everyone is eating them up as grey/black market imports

[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 1 points 2 days ago

That's what I said below

[–] rbn@sopuli.xyz 40 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

As far as I know despite being a single-use item, these vapes mostly contain rechargable battery cells of type 18650. Even though they are probably rather cheap and low quality cells, they still have around 2300 mAh at 3.6 V current. This gives us 8250 mWh per cell. One million of them would be 8250 kWh, enough for 100-200 electric cars. Every day. In a full year that's 3011250 kWh or around 3 gigawatt hours of storage capacity.

3 gigawatt hours is the capacity of the number 1 biggest battery-based energy storage system in the world: https://www.energy-storage.news/moss-landing-worlds-biggest-battery-storage-project-is-now-3gwh-capacity/

Tossed in the trash. Only from single use vapes. Every year. And only in the UK.

I hope there's no major flaw in my calculation but if it's not, that's really a crazy figure.

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

The batteries on most of those cheap disposables are essentially done for by the time the juice runs out.

By day 7 a full charge gets maybe 20-30 puffs.

Without these products the market probably wouldn't be as flooded with cheap rechargeable batteries that only last about 10 days.

[–] dumbass@leminal.space 5 points 3 days ago

I used to give my empty ones to my niece's bf, he rips them apart and makes shit with them.

[–] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

I had an ex who collected them, wired them together and now uses the bundle to power an electric bus. It's crazy that it just goes in the trash.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Most single use contain lithium polymer packs, not 18650s, but yes

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 4 points 3 days ago

1000% this. 18650s are used in regular vapes, and they are definitely not cheap to be used in disposables.

[–] ramsorge@discuss.online 49 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Just pass a law that anything intended to be disposable needs to be made with 100% biodegradable material. Selling refillable oil is obviously cleaner and cheaper to make.

This is just profit over planet.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Make it so that brands need to accept electronic devices back for free.

[–] ramsorge@discuss.online 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Or unlock them for Linux so we can keep using them after EOL.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] Anivia@feddit.org 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Already the case in Germany, yet everyone still just throws them away out of convenience

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It would need to be naturally biodegradable without leaving any kind of dangerous chemicals. A lot of so called biodegradable plastics can only actually be biodegraded in an industrial compostor.

[–] ramsorge@discuss.online 4 points 3 days ago

Sounds like we need things that aren’t disposable

[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Then they lobby a law to define 100% biodegradable and the lobbyists successfully push for it to mean it will EVENTUALLY bio degrade*

*In 1000 years

[–] ramsorge@discuss.online 8 points 3 days ago

Not enough dead billionaires.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago

As is tradition

[–] Damage@feddit.it 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] felixwhynot@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

I think we’re bad at choosing things that are inconvenient if the risk is abstract, but not necessarily stupid per se

[–] BertramDitore@lemm.ee 13 points 3 days ago

The UK has a population of just over 69 million.

These numbers are legitimately mind-boggling, I’m having a hard time believing it:

Thirteen vapes are discarded every second in the UK, adding up to more than a million each day.

[–] kipo@lemm.ee 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Does the UK have anti-smoking or anti-vaping campaigns, or did they ever? That seems like a lot of people are vaping.

[–] Womble@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Smoking yes, the UK has the 2nd lowest rate of smoking in the EU (+UK obviously). There hasnt been any significant anti-vaping campaign I'm aware of, because there is a tension that despite it being bad for you its nowhere near as bad as smoking, so getting people off tobacco and onto vapes is a net benefit. Though there does seem to be a growing consensus that vapes have been too permissively regulated thus far and to righten rules around selling them.