Electric Vehicles are a key part of our tomorrow and how we get there. If we can get all the fossil fuel vehicles off our roads, out of our seas and out of our skies, we'll have a much better environment. This community is where we discuss the various different vehicles and news stories regarding electric transportation.
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Yeah we know Tesla sucks
Are you actually asking for honest feedback or just upvotes?
If so, buying any used car is better. If you can get by with a 2008 accord, buy that. Better for the environment than any new electric. If you don't care about the environment and just want an electric for funsies, buy a used (whatever is well rated).
Better yet, buy a bicycle. Of course this doesn't currently work for everyone, but many people could live a better life with just a bike and don't even realize it. Deeply evaluate your own situation.
I don't have any data, but I'm surprised if a new electric is worse than a second hand ICE? What's your thinking behind that?
Better for the environment than any new electric.
Got any sources on that?
I'm looking for an EV with the NACS (Tesla) charger and that will do V2H (reverse) charging. I don't know if any of these exist yet.
If the car has a J1772 (it does) and supports V2H you're golden as J1772 is J3400 (NACS) and a passive adapter you can get for like 20 bucks will ensure you can use it anywhere
Even getting something with J3400 on it in the near future you'll likely end up wanting an adapter for all the machines on legacy hardware, anyway
Beware superchargers, they are only 400 volt at the moment. Right now, any 800+ volt EV will charge worse on Tesla superchargers than on 800 volt CCS chargers.
That will probably improve but it'll take years.
The 2025 Kia‘s EV6’s (and other models?) have the NACS and AFAIK, all EV6 models can do V2H. Some require an adapter and others have outlets in the base of the rear seats.
Also in January there is supposedly an update coming to enable compatibility with the supercharger network.
By V2H I mean I want to power my entire house, not just a couple outlets.
I'm looking for a sedan, and yeah, the Ionic is near the top of my list. Probably looking around this time next year (because the end of the year tends to be the best deals).
My folks have a tesla, and it's ok (from a passenger perspective). Really put off by the console UX.
I'm considering the F150 lightning, and looking for any input on that idea?
As for why Ford instead of Rivian? I try to buy union for big ticket items like this.
In case anybody has to be talked out of spending that much money on a car.
The first point rings true, but the other points seem like cherry picking.
Unreliability: https://www.kbb.com/car-news/consumer-reports-subaru-lexus-make-the-most-reliable-cars/ Tesla is below average on reliability, but unreliable Mainstays like Jeep still are lower. Other lists put Tesla in the middle of the pack, Cybertruck nonwithstanding. Still not great.
Fatal accident rate: This comment explains why: "As for fatalities, neither the article nor the comments I've seen so far have raised the obvious points of mis-use or over-reliance on automated driving systems or the shock (as in a famous case in Texas a couple of years ago) of an inexperienced driver given access to, let's say a Model S Plaid, stepping on the accelerator and being thrown back against the seat and into a state of shock such that the foot remains pressed on the accelerator while the car runs off the road."
Spying: Unfortunately, every single brand spies on you and your driving, as shown in https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/blog/privacy-nightmare-on-wheels-every-car-brand-reviewed-by-mozilla-including-ford-volkswagen-and-toyota-flunks-privacy-test/
"Reliability" is a difficult metric. It can cover everything from faulty seals on a door to a transmission that fails in 5k miles. One thing to search for when you're trying to see how reliable cars are is technical service bulletins (TSBs); the more a given make/model has, the more likely it is that there will be significant reliability issues.
IIRC most electric cars from newer companies have reliability issues, while electric vehicles from established brands tend to be more reliable.
As far as privacy goes, unless you buy with cash, you aren't going to have a lot of choice to turn off telemetry. And you might lose parts of the dashboard (e.g., the entire infotainment system) if you pull fuses.