all it does is prevent sideloaded apps from having access to sensitive permissions by default, which is a good thing.
this post was submitted on 31 Dec 2024
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True, but if it's good for users, it should be the rule for ALL apps
Well, all apps on your phone are sideloaded, right? You're not using Google play, are you?
Sideloading is the only reason i use android over ios...
Ironically sideloading is pretty easy on iOS nowadays
But if you need notifications Gl and gl with apple removing the app
Same
Anything short of "it's your device, it obeys you" is theft.
Now I'm actually glad I'm stuck on Android 13.
If Google is going to turn Android into iPhone, why tf I shouldn't get an iPhone itself?
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I don't think it's quite a bad as the title implies, though I wonder how long this slow process of locking down Android will ~~contained~~ continue for. Hopefully the EU demands from the likes of Epic will stop too much control being taken away from the user.
Is control really taken away? It seems as though it simply added a couple steps to help people avoid giving default permissions to bad actors.
Yeah that's the thing, as an isolated change it seems like a good step for security, but I'm concerned it could be part of a larger frog-boiling.
Though I understand the reason, I find this ironic given how invasive play store apps can be. My cars official app requires full location access all the time, otherwise it pops up asking for it every time you open it. Meanwhile some FOSS app that can be code reviewed and sideloaded is more difficult to give needed acess.
and FOSS apps that can be fully code reviewed and confirmed safe, unlike anything proprietary, will still cause banking apps to refuse to run on your unrooted device. I had to go back to carrying a physical key around with me. (the foss apps were there first)
Not to defend the shitty app, but it's probably Google's fault. Location access is needed to just query WiFi or do a hotspot. Probably features the app needs. They should've make that more granular.
They need it for 2 things I believe.
- They show a map where vehivle last parked compared to you.
- They could use it for their proprietary phone as key feature that doesn't work and is unreliable compared to using UWB.
- Gonna add this one since its totally the reason, sell your data. They store the car data, why not get the phones location data so you can get them all the time!
Sure they sell the data...my point was just that they would probably need the permission even if they didn't want your actual location.
I haven't deved android since before all of the permission overhauls but I believe aprpximate would suffice for those cases, and I don't think they are actually needed. Luckily with a little bit of work and someones open source project I was able to get a home assistant integration to use their API and give them 0 of those permission requests.
I'm no android pro Dev, so no absolute confidence in my point. You're probably right. And good you managed to bring it into HA without the permissions.
This is why I decided to not use Google services this Graphene install. I have zero doubt Google is going to try and lock down the ability to use anything outside of the PlayStore in an IOS type move. Just hope a better Linux based phone gets done quickly because I'm not sure how many iterations of alternate Android OS generations will be able to exist as they lock things down.
I'm holding on to mine until a Linux phone comes Along. If not, you know what? Fuck it. I'm not replacing my phone with some spyware OS Android. Fuck that shit.
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