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Senator Bernie Sanders criticized Elon Musk over his support for the H-1B visa program, calling it a tool for corporations to replace good-paying American jobs with lower-wage foreign labor.

Sanders cited data showing U.S. companies laid off 85,000 American workers between 2022 and 2023 while hiring 34,000 H-1B visa holders, arguing this undermines U.S. competitiveness.

Musk, who credits the visa program for his success, defended it, stating he's ready to "go to war" over the issue.

The debate has divided MAGA conservatives, exposing rifts within Trump's coalition.

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[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Put a hold on that popcorn. It's not a civil war. Elon and Trump are in agreement. What's happening is some MAGA supporters are going through the five stages of grief. They seem to be somewhere around anger and bargaining. Trump conned his supporters like he conned his employees before them. Now Trump supporters are working their way to accepting Trump was always going to enrich himself and billionaires at their expense.

Now would be a good time to start pulling people away from MAGA. People need an alternative. Taking the wealth of billionaires as well as the source of their wealth would be a good start. Not to mention systemic change to our government's institutions.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Now would be a good time to start pulling people away from MAGA.

I don't know a single maga who has the slightest chance at being turned. All the magas in my life are just people who I know are either 1) Willfully ignorant or 2) Hateful.

What I'm pulling them away from is any relationship with me and my family.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The same is pretty much true with my family as well. However thanks to the internet we have access to a larger subset of people than just our families.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Fair, and I appreciate the wisdom of both your original comment and this reply.

Nonetheless, after 4 to 8 years of trying to convince magas that they are victims of a grifter and members of a cult, I feel pessimistic about the number of peelable magas out there, my ability to do any peeling, and frankly the depth of motivation I feel to continue banging my head against the wall.

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 days ago (4 children)

How about MANS.

Make America Not Suck.

Their whole shtick would jive with a thing called MANS too.

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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 65 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 23 points 4 days ago

He took off the mitts to throw fucking hands!

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 96 points 5 days ago (7 children)

No Bernie let them fight. "Never Interfere With an Enemy While He’s in the Process of Destroying Himself."

[–] blackbelt352@lemmy.world 159 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Oh he's absolutely letting them fight, he's just stoking them up more playing into the big issue splitting the republican party in two.

Yes it’s perfect.

[–] Quexotic@infosec.pub 18 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I generally agree with you but I think there's an exception to every rule, I mean, he just dumped gas on the MAGA dumpster fire. What's wrong with that?

Also, love me some barqs my dude.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 70 points 5 days ago (4 children)

It's more like throwing a pork chop into the middle of a dog fight and running away lol

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

I think the expression is "Don't interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake."

[–] takeda@lemm.ee 44 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Bernie always was MAGA but not for the slogan but actually to improve people's lives.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 43 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Well take away the "again" because America never had what he wants.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 57 points 5 days ago (10 children)

We did have a 90% tax bracket... and Roe v. Wade, and Presidents who were presumably accountable to the justice system, and elections that people generally accepted the outcome, and much less toxic disconnect between political parties, and media that wasn't all owned by a handful of billionaires, and we had the Fairness Doctrine, and Citizens United.

So yah getting back to that basic level of functionality would be nice actually.

Whenever I think of "MAGA" I think of the strong middle class that characterized post-war America and wonder wtf these people are actually doing.

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago

Strong disagree. Keep them riled up. Make sure musk isn't able to distract them.

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[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 63 points 5 days ago (2 children)

smarter choice to attack elon, trump wont be with us that much longer in the grand scheme of things. good chance he passes in office. one way or another

[–] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm honestly shocked his brain hasn't been devoured by syphilis yet, I guess he's listening to the experts around him juuust enough to take the abx, but if he's got sodium or other diet restrictions no way he's following them.

[–] bender223@lemmy.today 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm constantly surprised that he hasn't farted himself to death 🤔

[–] Blumpkinhead@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's how I want to go out.

[–] irreticent@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Trump farting you to death‽

[–] exploitedamerican@lemm.ee 3 points 3 days ago

Lets hope that massive pile of breathing human excrement passes his last mushy liquid mound of stool in his depends while sitting in the oval Office. Jd Vance is also disgusting but he had half a spine when he told the truth that trump is America’s hitler. Sold out his morals pretty quick to be American hitler’s vp though

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 days ago (4 children)

So now Bernie sanders is pulling a "they're taking our jobs"? We are living in strange times.

[–] ZMonster@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

“The cheaper the labor they hire, the more money the billionaires make,” Sanders added.

Easy

So now Bernie sanders is pulling a "they're taking our jobs"?

Jesus

Honestly can't tell if serious

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[–] banshee@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Aren't these separate issues? I won't pretend to know much about this, but it does seem like some companies are taking advantage of H-1B employees.

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That’s the point Bernie is making, American companies are firing American workers to hire H-1B at much lower wages.

[–] ZMonster@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Never did I imagine living in a dimension that this was not so glaringly obvious that it needed to be said... [clocks room] We're fucked.

[–] 31337@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

He's been consistent on these issues for a while. "Open borders? That's a Koch brothers proposal."

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Sanders cited data showing U.S. companies laid off 85,000 American workers between 2022 and 2023 while hiring 34,000 H-1B visa holders, arguing this undermines U.S. competitiveness.

He's against 85k americans getting fired, and being replaced by LESS immigrants.

[–] Enkrod@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago

Those immigrants are basically being worked as indentured slaves whose only way to remain in the US is to accept whatever bad deal the corpos throw at them. IF the immigrants were guaranteed the same wages with no dependency on their employers to stay in the US and look for fair work, he would have far less of a problem with it. On a level playing field immigration is okay, but if the corpos basically import slave labor it's not.

Right now H-1B visas are being used to play the foreign working class against the domestic working class, this is precisely what he argues against.

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 47 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Elon credits this for his success? As in he successfully got one after being here illegally?

[–] Benjaben@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago (13 children)

I read it as him saying Tesla, SpaceX, etc. couldn't have succeeded without H1-B visa workers.

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[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago

He should. They're a few facts away from him being their actual representative candidate.

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