Goodbye and thanks for all the ~~fish~~ shit, Trudeau
this post was submitted on 06 Jan 2025
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I'm surprised by the backlash, this is Liberal's only chance. I know it's fun for the armchair political analysts to poke fun at the ones analyzing for money, but we can all see the same writing on the wall. Incumbents are fuckin losing, all around the world, to far-right challengers. The U.S. Democratic tried and utterly failed to change the optics on their party being responsible for corporations using a fucking pandemic as a smokescreen to tighten the clamps of late-stage capitalism with price hikes that will never come down. Liberal still has to find a way to sell change from the status quo if they want to stay in power, so they're taking a gamble. Maybe the issue really was that Biden dropped out too late, or maybe Americans really are dumber than Canadians. Either way, it was take this gamble of have a guaranteed loss. It'll be interesting to see who takes Trudeau's place, and whether they can sell themselves as enough of a difference in the ~8 months they'll have.
what labor? trudeau is the head of the liberal party
that's my bad, it's early and I got my centrist L parties mixed up.
Been a long time coming. Trudeau can’t take a dump without running it by his corporate overlords first. And he flooded the country with more immigration than the infrastructure can handle, simply because his handlers demanded he provide them with cheap & exploitable labor.
But his party is completely corporate captured, and I don’t see them being able to produce anyone better. What’s extremely concerning is some people are floating Freeland as a replacement, who has repeatedly exposed herself as a Nazi sympathizer if not one herself, so there is some level of support in the party for embracing the race towards fascism to appease the corporate class and oppose the growing discontent of the working class.
Too bad NDP is too corrupt and incompetent to provide a better option.
Just popped in to say: if you're a Nazi sympathizer, you're a Nazi.
Nazis don't leave a lot of room for nuance.
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Loudspeaker truck?
Proroguing Parliament for 2½ months to pick a new leader isn't a good look for the Liberals on this one, but I can see why they went for it. That's a lot of news cycles for things to cool off before a likely election.
I doubt it will be enough to keep the anti-trans bigot party from winning a majority government, sadly.
Are you Canadian?
Longest I've been out of Canada is a week.
I wonder who gets to play the role of Kim Campbell this time?
and people scoffed when i said shit's going to get worse worldwide because of trump..
Melania eye-humped Trudeau three too many times.
Is that Scummo in the background? LOL.
I like seeing these little glimpses into famous people's lives. Here you can see what an absolute cuck the orange guy is, for example.
And even now, I scoff! But, like, in a "no duh" agreeing kind of way.
The same immigrants who told me not to worry about Trump were the same ones telling me that their homeland was justified in punishing/purging x people because "it's global politics" and that I'm "too American" to understand. The same people who told me that the US president can't affect the rest of the world's politics because "each country has their own independent government."
I swear, if I told these people that I had cancer in my toe, they'd tell me to not get it treated because it's not anywhere important.
To my knowledge there have been people here on Lemmy stating that it would be best if he stepped down. Oh gentle Canadian neighbors:
Whaaat is happening up there, my dudes?
Nothing. This is the SAME SHIT THAT HAPPENED IN 1993, except it was a conservative PM then (Mulroney). The last generation of them that cared to be a leader for all sides. Harper was outright an enemy to decency.
Nowadays, the notion of self-sacrifice for utilitarian ethics is a rarified trait; and utterly non-existent on the right of the aisle. Run the thought experiment for yourself and simulate a republican or a conservative candidate doing the right thing. It's good for a laugh.
Mulroney was simply unpopular, especially about the GST. People fucking HATE Trudeau, a deep visceral feeling he's engendered across the country, and it's not recent. (It's hard to take anyone seriously that calls Harper a threat to decency)
Oh I hated Mulroney too... Conservatives have been slimy and repellent to my sensibilities since about grade 4.
Your lack of ability to take me seriously is, frankly, your own flaw to come to grips with. It doesn't change my ability to vote or who I will vote for, and mine counts the same as yours, Peaches.
Politically speaking, hes doing the right thing. The mandate of the people kind of requires it. Its not good for anything other than the expectations of democracy and the system set up for him and canadian citizens.l as a whole. Like, long term world implications im not thrilled, but the writing is on the walls. Its a "you want to make this bed, fine, sleep in it" sort of situation. He has no mandate now.
I know that i will hate what comes next, and i know it feels like he and his party is rolling over, and i know canadians, much like usa citizens with trump, are playing with a stacked deck. But personally, ill stand here with the odds stacked against. Having faith in the systems we have set up, that we will survive this too.
I believe in a fucking system. Thats why i was not protesting today when trump got certified. Trudeau stepping down is correct. And ill die on the hill that i will help maintain that system. When someone breaks that system however, unlike our brothers to the north, ive got loads of guns and a very ignorant population to convince. But I will abide by our democratic institutions and hold faith in them as far as i can.
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Well, up in Canada, we also have scumbag conservatives. Same as yours, they talk about the cost of everything and the value of nothing. And they work to convince the hillbillies to vote for tax breaks they won't get to offset higher costs they don't mention. And American healthcare.
So now you're up to speed. Rafael Cruz is half-canadian, apparently, and that's the half he is.
Pretty soon we'll have our own Kamal-eh to lose this next election, and hospitals will sell shares.
Would that I could believe otherwise.
Damn that's sad. So is Jack Layton like our Bernie Sanders? You can't get three Canadians together without them pining over how Jack could have fixed all this.
Jack Layton was the NDP (New Democratic Party) leader from 2003-2011, in that period we had legit talks of a coalition government after the incumbent Tories lost confidence, parliament was prorogued and those flopped unfortunately. The NDP was the official opposition in 2011, which is a big part of his legacy, unfortunately he passed from cancer several months after the election, managed to pull that from being far behind the liberals entering the campaign, liberal party became a third party and Justin Trudeau became the elected leader of the liberals after that (semi interesting is Bob Rae was the interim leader, he was the NDP premier of Ontario in the 90s that still seems to haunt the provincial NDP somehow)
NDP itself is a social democracy party, its roots are in the CCF (Cooperative Commonwealth Federation), very pro labour, it's the party of Tommy Douglas who is widely credited as being the creator of Medicare in Canada as the premier of Saskatchewan. During Layton's years, they were always very pro privacy and net neutrality amongst other positions that are still 100% applicable today. Mildly interesting, Justin's father Pierre Elliott Trudeau was originally part of the CCF and NDP.
That is interesting, thanks
Trudeau is poison to the Liberal brand. In Canada we don't vote parties in, we vote parties (and leaders) out. Trudeau has been PM for just over 9 years, the 7th longest serving PM.
What will happen is we'll vote the Cons in, they'll make hilariously huge mistakes like they always do, get 1-2 terms, then get voted out in favour of another Liberal government. If you go back throughout our history we have almost exactly 2-1 Lib - Con governments by time in office.
Poilievre is an anti-abortion career politician who is going to try to ape what Trump did, only every time he speaks he loses votes. He has a whiny voice and is widely referred to as 'Milhouse' because, well, he looks like Milhouse. He's not a strong-man and his public speaking is embarrassing. He'll brown nose Trump as much as he can and absolutely eat it when Trumps policies fuck our economy.
This doesn't sound terrible?
In Australia, it feels like the inverse. We generally have conservative governments until they do something particularly abhorrent and lose government for a term.
We're presently enjoying our once-in-a-decade progressive government term and sadly I feel they have squandered their term. They seem determined to ignore the core responsibility of making life better for everyone and instead waste political capital on fanciful notions like banning sheep exports and frivolous changes to the constitution.
It's not exactly accurate either. It's not that Trudeau is "poison to the liberal brand". American politics poisoned our politics. It's true we vote out parties but this time the real shit is because of the poison pill of insane American politics.
Back in 2011 the "liberal brand" was that of being relegated to the 3rd place party because they lost the election so bad. Trudeau was plucked out to be party leader. Some say reluctantly because they had no one else to lead it. We will never know the true behind closed doors story.
The liberal brand or whatever was dog shit 20 years ago. Conservatives won the smallest minority government ever. Nobody wanted to vote for liberals. Nobody wanted to vote for conservatives. So the conservatives got about 10 years of government because of apathy.
Trudeau was actually doing fine in roughly the first half of his leadership. Rescued them no longer being one half of the defacto two party system. Economy was doing good. Poverty was going down. Restored the census which conservatives killed off. Removed conservative censorship of scientists. Actual climate change policies. Got legal weed. Actually addressed social issues. Unlike the previous conservative government who were stoking proto-MAGA type divisiveness.
Then the Trump era came into full swing and the conservative party adopted American culture wars. Then COVID and the economic+social fallout hit. So naturally all that is Trudeaus fault.
Whoever is the unfortunate next leader of the liberal party will also be "poison" to the liberal brand. Because that's how Americanized culture war politics works. They will ad hominem the next person to death. Elections will have absolutely zero policy and 100% culture war personal attacks.
In another reality where America doesn't go off the deep end Trudeau maybe even has few more years in office until getting voted out in a boring uneventful election where conservatives win another small minority. But no this is the insane timeline. Conservatives are headed to a resounding majority win because "MAGA" reasons.
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Shits kinda on fire and it's probably like 50% the USs fault.
But we kind of tend to start getting pissy with our pms after about 10 years,
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Inflation(read: gouging) is a massive problem which isn't being tackled, housing is unaffordable, and the medical systems are underfunded (due in part to the exploitative US system). There's also some conflict in our relations with Mexico which I'm personally pissed about but I don't think most are concerned with.
The opposition party is headed by a far right "populist" who claims the current status quo is "authoritarian socialism" and is supported by Jordan Peterson and Elon Musk.
Liberals are upset with Trudeau for failing to fix the issues listed above and offering no counter to some of the legitimate populist policies Pierre champions.
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