Surely the dems would have been just as bad right?
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The fuck does he even want with Greenland. How did this become a thing. Who planted the idea in his tiny head. Is this some Russian plot putin is making him do.
Probably some misguided thought that somehow it will be more habitable than the rest of the US thanks to climate change (the climate change that doesn’t exist) opening up real resource extraction.
Military dominance in the Arctic. Russia and China are also vying for influence. The US already has a large military base there. Thule Space Base. But taking territory from friends and allies by military force is probably the worst way to go about doing anything.
Maybe that base ought to be closed given the mess the US made with previous bases.
There's a competition going on to see who can convince drump to publicly say the stupidest thing.
Do we have instruments sensitive enough to distinguish between such abyssal levels of idiocy?
Greenland is rich in mineral resources. One of his dozen billionaires got into his empty head.
Gee, I wonder which insecure shitbag with the jr. high mentality it is?
Same thing America always wants: oil and control over shipping lanes
But like who told him to do it. This Greenland and Panama canal thing is not something his deep fried brain could come up with in a million years and it came out of him to start which is also weird. Usually the Russian propaganda youtubers start an idea then faux news starts planting seeds then Trump will see it on there and boom we get the tweets. I haven't followed this super close but from what I can gather this originated with him, which is already crazy since he doesn't originate anything on his own except poopy diapers.
Tbh it could've been literally any one of the fascists with which he's surrounded himself this past decade.
I highly doubt this but they could be looking at it as a future refuge when climate change makes most the land around the equator completely uninhabitable. Though, since half of them are already old ghouls I highly doubt they're thinking that far into the future.
I'm guessing to build a resort for them and their rich friends so they can be safe and isolated from the rest of us peasants. Maybe get some natural resources as well with exploitative and unethical labor practices
Any other asshole in Washington would be laughed out of office for saying shit like this. This particular asshole gets sanewashed and taken seriously. Why?
He doesn't get taken seriously. By anybody. Ever. It's his singular source of effectiveness.
They all just see him as a wrecking ball to destroy everything with.
Surely 100 dollars out of your yearly taxes to start a pointless war on two fronts is better than 20 cents out of your yearly taxes to stop the greatest threat to human rights, ability for people to self govern and peace in europe against an enemy who has been interfering in everyones internal politics and threatening everyone with nukes constantly.
He's a cult leader. They get to do crazy stuff with no consequences.
So to all the folk who voted for Trump because they thought he was the guy who was going to get us out of the endless wars, how to you feel now? You buffoon. You simpleton. You absolute imbecile.
"No, he was going to fix the BIDENflation, ya'll!"
These absolute morons don't realize we are currently experiencing the inflation THAT THE TRAITOR CAUSED.
Jesus christ this country is fucking insanely stupid.
B-b-but eggs
It is very sad that undecided voters couldn’t do the bare minimum of a google search as to why inflation was so bad.
Could it be because during trumps presidency he approved the printing of trillions of dollars to keep the economy afloat and cut taxes that were set to expire during Bidens presidency?
No had to be because Biden is old.
At the end, by many measures even that taking point was self-disputing. How many gas pumps had Joe Biden "I Did That" stickers in October when gas was sub-$3/gallon in tons of places.
Promising a “Golden age of America,” Trump also said he would move to try to rename the Gulf of Mexico as the “Gulf of America,” saying that has a “beautiful ring to it.”
What a dumbass
with a de facto totalitarian who attempted a coup at the helm, americans will finally understand for the first time what it means to be "free". It will be like pulling out a rotten tooth: painful but it will get better. Once the civil war that is required to get trump out of office in 10 years is finished.
What can I say, though, he knows his deplorable base. I'm not sure they could get any more hard over such performative bullshit.
I wonder how many have been bitching about the price of eggs lately, by the way? I wonder if eggs went through the same miraculous transformation that fair elections did, post donvict's win.
Fix your fucking country. You’re going to hurt a lot people because you worship stupidity, bravado, power, and money.
A lot of us tried, but we were outnumbered.
Give us a moment. The sane among us are still trying to figure out which of our friends and family are still worth a shit.
I would love too. I really don't think America should invade any country. One thing everyone can do no matter what country they live in you can boycott Tesla and Twitter. Musk is going to be a major funder of the GOP so ending his propaganda megaphone and wealth could change the course of events.
I was not expecting a World War over Greenland and or Panama. WTF Donny?
Oh, I'm not seeing a world war. I'm more envisioning a corrupt bargain:
Russia grabs Ukraine
China grabs Taiwan
US grabs Greenland, Panama, and maybe even Cuba
And they all agree to just let it happen.
yeaaaah, I doubt that Greenland, Denmark or NATO will just sit idly when Greenland is about to be annexed.
In this era, what seems to be an era of might makes right, if the US wanted to annex Greenland militarily, who exactly is going to do what to stop them? With what military?
Somehow I don't think the Danish military is going to be a substantial barrier to the US military. How many carrier groups does Denmark maintain? Danish military expenditure is about $8 billion USD per year. The US is more like $900 billion. The Danish military has 25,000 soldiers. The State of Texas alone, just in the minor military forces under the direct control of the Governor of Texas, has 23,000 troops. Texas alone, even without any federal support, could probably win a war against Denmark. That is how comical the difference in power here is.
And NATO? Well look at how good of a job NATO is doing at preventing the US from supporting Israel, or how effective NATO was at preventing the US from invading Iraq. In this scenario, Trump would effectively be walking away from NATO anyway. Without the US, NATO is pretty toothless. The US is the only NATO power that maintains a substantial expeditionary pressure, with some exceptions in the French and British. Almost every NATO power has a purely defensive military - their job is to defend against Russian aggression, not extend NATO power around the globe.
But moreover, even by the letter of the NATO treaty, NATO is powerless to intervene in intra-NATO conflicts. When a NATO country is invaded, the rest of NATO isn't automatically at war with the country that invaded. Rather, that country can quickly bring a resolution in front of NATO to invoke Article V of the charter. And adopting that resolution requires unanimous approval of all NATO members. So the US invades Greenland, Denmark tries to invoke Article V, and the US just vetoes the resolution. The NATO treaty is not meant to address intra-NATO conflict. Greece and Turkey have fought numerous territorial spats while both being members of NATO.
The law is a piece of paper. In reality, if the US wanted to invade Greenland, the only powers that could even theoretically do anything about it would be Russia and China. And in this scenario, they would agree to the plan, as they get their own annexation prizes in return.
The US just elected a fascist into power. Making agreements like this is par for the course for fascists.
So the US invades Greenland, Denmark tries to invoke Article V, and the US just vetoes the resolution.
that's some serious flaw, but I guess back then NATO didn't envisioned some unhinged Leader to attack another NATO Country.
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And what the hell are they going to do about it? The US might be being led by a megalomaniac with dementia, but that megalomaniac still commands the most powerful military on the planet, and it isn't even close.
I'm not trying to sound arrogant, but the reality is that if the US truly decided to put their military might into annexing Greenland or the Panama Canal, there's not a whole hell of a lot that Denmark is going to be able to do about it, even with the backing of the rest of Europe.
What's NATO going to do about it? Kick out the US? Russia would absolutely love that. Trump would just sit back and watch as Putin starts marching across Europe. Economic sanctions? The US is the cornerstone of the global economy, and any sanctions would either be ignored or end up doing more harm to Europe than the US. How many sanctions against Russia has the EU all but ignored because enforcing them would be too detrimental to their own economies? If they're not willing to enforce them against Russia, they're certainly not going to enforce them against the US.
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What happens when the military just goes "nope"?
Easy: People within its ranks will begin to make choices. Not necessarily take action, just make choices. If things continue small insubordinations will occur and eventually rifts at nearly every level.
If things got really bad the military would split into three:
- Pro Trump
- Pro United States
- Undecided/Everyone else.
If this happens it will be a test of the quality of leadership on both major sides. A fundamental breaking of the chain. It's why Trump wants to replace current military leadership: They've told him no. A pattern we'll continue to see for at least two years.
I read headlines like this and sometimes wonder if someone slipped me crazy pills. It's just so bonkers. Greenland? WTF? Panama, I kind of understand, because reactionary old assholes have been butthurt about Panama being planned to be handed over, then actually handed over, for fucking decades and donvict is the exact type of crotchety and butthurt old dumbass that I've been hearing whine about it for as long as I can remember.
But why the fuck would America use military force to take either? Other than gender-affirming for someone like donvict, what do we stand to gain?
Greenland is just the low-hanging fruit, an easy target. Something for the masses at home. Taking it won't take an afternoon. In fact, they'll just show up, plant a flag, next to it a "No Danes" sign, then call it a day. Then make a biiig celebration of it at home so everybody is distracted while they irreparably dismantle American democracy.
The US? Nothing.
But if you read the classic fascist playbook, a military conflict is an essential stage in grabbing and especially in securing power. A conflict with a near peer like China is too dangerous and costly, but a series of minor to medium conflicts – like war with Panama to "secure" the canal or "liberating" Greenland or Canada might suffice.
Greenland has oil, and it'll be prime real-estate in a decade or two once the equatorial regions are inhospitable.
People would say that call of duty was extremely unrealistic this time around if they used this as a plot element haha
Literally the only reason he's doing this is because he sees his idols taking other territories while everyone stands around wringing their hands.
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