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For some reason earlier today I looked up a giant list of all sins and I've made a few conclusions.

1: Lust is overrated. It's too broad of a concept and there are significantly more specific sins that can be committed.

For example, lusting after a woman is bad... Homosexuality (depending on the translation technically) is also bad... So what's left? Loving yourself? No! Also bad! All of these are sins and personally I think all 3 are epic and should be done way more often.

2: stealing and theft are listed as different sins... ??

3: being drunk and throwing parties that involve alcohol are both sins. Personally I don't drink so this doesn't affect me in the slightest... But the most hardcore jebus people I've ever met have had a beer in their hands and party whenever a ball is being thrown.

4: did you know that it's actually illegal to swear an oath? Meaning that if you don't want to sin... It's impossible to swear into office or give a court testimony... Kinda fucked up for "gods given government" or whatever the fuck

5: honestly I'm just a big fan of "effeminacy" and I should buy another skirt tbh. Need more effeminate men/mascs in my life.

6: I'm not sure if this message counts as "idle words" "vain Jangling" or "jesting" more but I wouldn't mind being able to knock out 3 sins at once.

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[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 17 points 4 days ago (2 children)

For the alcohol thing, it's mostly about excess. Otherwise you have to ignore the first miracle Jesus performed was essentially a beer run.

[–] Hazzard@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Drives me crazy how many churches still manage to conclude that drinking is an outright sin. Like... forget the conversations we can have about the particulars of drunkenness versus drinking basically everywhere it's mentioned, how did we ever get past Jesus turning water into wine to believe this was a sin in the first place?

You have to jump through so many hoops of ignoring the obvious in scripture to even begin to argue for it, and yet it's a widespread belief.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Yep the no alcohol makes no sense, public drunkenness or alcoholism are different, but alcohol use is pretty common. It's not just the water to wine thing, there's also the last supper where he essentially gave a toast of "continue to toast in my name."

[–] Maven@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Oh yeah for sure. Drinking on its own isn't a problem.

Drinking during a celebration though seems to be an issue.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 days ago

Again the miracle was a beer run for a wedding, soni think celebration and drinking can go together.

[–] Taalnazi@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

The irony is also that when lusting after a woman is prohibitied (and homosexuality is too), and yet you're expected to "go forth and procreate"... how the fuck are you supposed to procreate when you can't because your own rules contradict each other?

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 24 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Stealing and theft are technically two different things. Piracy is stealing but isn't theft.

HOWEVER theft is almost always stealing, so I'm equally confused as you.

[–] TaTTe@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Can you explain how they're different? The definition I found makes them sound identical: "theft; the action or crime of stealing" (Oxford dictionary).

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 1 points 3 days ago

Theft deprives the owner of their property.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today -4 points 4 days ago

That's wrong. And the comment your replying to gives you the explanation. But in case that's not enough: theft deprives people of something while stealing doesn't. Copying is not theft.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Swearing an oath "in vain" is not allowed. Ie, don't swear in the holy name and then go back on your word. As I understand it. That would be the mortal sin.

[–] Maven@lemmy.zip 30 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I'd also only heard the "in vain" version prior but every list I can find of all sins says "swearing an oath" and doesn't specify the intent behind it.

I even found the passage James 5:12 which states: "Above all, my brothers and sisters, do not swear—not by heaven or by earth or by anything else. All you need to say is a simple “Yes” or “No.” Otherwise you will be condemned."

Seems to condemn all oath swearing of any kind on anything.

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

that's really interesting. Apparently I'm going to hell for joining the cub scouts (boy/girl scouts for people under 13 iirc) 😔

[–] Maven@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm curious if "pledging allegiance" would also count. In which case, everyone in the US who had to pledge allegiance to the flag in school is fucked!

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago

oh that's amazing. I'm gonna use that on some people I know the next time they pipe up about me wanting a small frog tattoo. Thanks!

[–] Hoimo@ani.social 2 points 4 days ago

I've always found it interesting that affirmation is seen as the secular alternative to swearing on the Bible, when it's actually some branches of Christianity that are most vehemently opposed to swearing oaths. I don't know where swearing on the Bible even came from if the Bible is so clear about it. Did the church ever condone it or was this something thought up by vaguely religious politicky types who wanted a serious promise no-take-backsies style and didn't ask the cleric if it was alright?

[–] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago

To me honestly lust is just lying about sex. Being poly when a partner tells me they had somebody over to fuck while I've been on my 3 day work stretch I'm like high five buddy get it but finding a dating app on their phone I didn't know about or intimate texts I didn't know about or that they cut into my time with them and told me they were sick or working when they were with another person are all not ok. Same thing when I've made relationship fuckups it was never really the having sex with someone else specifically it was that I was doing that after saying I was willing to be monogamous and not fessing up when I realized I couldn't be.

[–] Naz@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago

I've read that that the 7 deadly sins are just "reverse extrapolates" of the ten commandments, e.g: "Do not commit adultery" -> Lust.

Even the "original sin" (disobedience) is extrapolated.

Which means they're not legally binding as a result.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

In most cases oath and affirmation are legally interchangeable. You can affirm that you are telling the truth without swearing an oath.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

A marriage proposal, most likely

[–] Maven@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 days ago

But then the fornication wouldn't be a sin :/

[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

Depends on the recipient. I have some friends who would be very into this discussion and some who, if they responded at all, would probably just call me a nerd or something.

I am a vain jangler and it's pretty fun