hells yeah it's time for some action - Drew DeVault is organizing a sit-in protest of Jack Dorsey's keynote at FOSDEM 2025.
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So, the Wikipedia article about "prompt engineering" is pretty terrible. First source: OpenAI. Second: a blog. Third: OpenAI. Fourth: OpenAI's blog. ArXiv, arXiv, arXiv... 43 times. Hop on over to the Talk page, and we find this gem:
It is sometimes necessary to make assumptions to write an article (see WP:MNA).
Spoiler alert: that link doesn't justify anything. It basically advises against going off on tangents: There's no need to rehash the fact that evolution is a fact on every damn biology page. It does not say that Wikipedia should have an article on some creationist fantasy, like baraminology or flood geology, based entirely on creationist screeds that all cite each other.
I have spent the last half-hour in the angry dome
Computer understanders, click this link for some psychic damage! :D (aside: I tried to upload this as an image but it didn't work)
Coiners are terminally brain poisoned by financialization of everything. HTTP represented by three payment processors (and I don't even know if paying with Google or Apple pay involves HTTP but whatever).
Yet the money protocol is Bitcoin, apparently.
here you go
12 of the most valuable protocols on earth!
Counting like a chatbot.
Ah, so Google Search runs on UDP, interesting, that must be why it's so unreliable now.
HTTP: famous for doing Google pay, Apple Pay, PayPal, and nothing else. no other use has been found for http
(also, FTP! as indicated by these apps that famously don’t use or support it!)
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Read a rumor that zuck's marriage is falling apart, which scans.
A second divorced man is about to hit the tower.
i wonder where his roman empire fascination fits the pattern? also, who's next, maybe thiel?
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Did my regular check in of a q-pilled family member’s facebook page. Zuckerberg’s new fash turn is not being received well as he is being read as the worm that he is. i.e. they are still mad about the anti-vax fact checking.
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Paul I am begging you to actually write out a fucking timeline. Apparently woke started in the 80s in universities when the (white) civil rights protestors of the 70s got tenure in the 60s, as an inevitable and predictable extension of political correctness in the 90s. From the title you're obviously going to indulge the conservative fantasy that "wokeness" is a coherent thing rather than a political tool to dismiss calls for action to actually address blatant injustice. But if you're going to bullshit me, at least do it competently and have an internally consistent narrative that allows for the natural passage of time.
If you can't get through two short paragraphs without equating Stalinism and "social justice", you may be a cockwomble.
Man wrote nearly 5k words of pure unfiltered cap:
I'm not sure how someone can read all this without capping themselves. We could sneer this all fucking day.
The opening statement is also quite silly already (and makes me belief in a companion to the dead internet theory, the dementia internet theory, as I was sure we have had conversations like this as 'the internet' already, Zuck turning manospherian all of a sudden also makes me thing this (same with the fight over H-1B on the US right, they had that in 2018 already, Trump likes H-1B)).
We had the whole 'they act like they are morally superior' discussion already a lot, and that was about vegans. Only one problem, they are morally superior on almost all ethical/moral/ideological systems you can think of. Sure hedonists, stoics (who are not allowed to complain), sadists, accelerationist extinctionists, ironic nihilistic status quo pushing postmodernists, all disagree they are superior morally but who cares about the opinion of those people. Sure some of them might be annoying to people, but annoying people can be morally superior.
His statements about how politically correctness comes from the 80's is also wrong (it predates that, and has quite a complex history of being used by various different groups for different meanings), but at that moment I knew I was going to be wasting my time reading this as I would disagree with every paragraph. (as I have seen these types of articles before, they were popular a decade ago or so).
E2: Whoops that edit should have been on a different post. E3: bonus content: Two articles sneering at Paul, Paul Graham and the Cult of the Founder and Paul Graham, proto-techbro..
I'm not reading that shit but for the masochists out there who like to read HN licking VC boots, here ya go
I've been a big fan of HN comments lately
As many writers (perhaps most eloquently George Orwell) have observed, women seem more attracted than men to the idea of being moral enforcers.
Ah, thanks Paul for validating my disdain for Orwell at least.
George was writing his stories in the 40s, so at least has "product of his time" as an excuse.
Paul's just a flat out piece of shit to be writing this nearly 100 years later.
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Some news on the people who own/run protonmail. They are pro Trump
mv protonmail protrumpmail
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This is extremely tangential to the areas of sneer interest, but seeing as this is the only technology related community I am in, I’m putting it here.
This song has been making the rounds on the charts/social media and I refuse to believe that it isn’t about the package management tool apt
yoooooooooooooo
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some of the first research science on promptfondlers and model-affine dipshits is starting to see the light of day and, in what will surprise probably 0% of our regulars, it confirms some things
(I have grumped about their desire for outsourced thinking in the past myself)
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Welp, time to start the thread with fresh Awful for everyone to regret:
r/phenotypes
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a couple weeks back, I was (bc reasons) looking around to see how to turn off goog's annoying gemini bullshit in an account, and you can!
except then even after doing that, accounts in that org still got prompts (in the form of in-app banners, and sparklebuttons in shit like gmail) to Try The Model
it looks like people aren't biting enough, because now you get it whether you like it or not, for the low low price of pushing up your base account fee! and I checked in one org - "Gemini App" is disabled org-wide, but the fucking prompt is immediately in the UI (and you get a modal popover opening gmail)
fuck these people so much
Oh well. Nothing screams healthy business like force-feeding your product to every customer who can't hammer the conveniently hidden opt-out button fast enough. I'm sure Gemini is doing great.
oh, no no
nooooo no no no
there isn't an opt-out button
there is only:
- "Continue",
- "Learn More"
Hello, I'd like to punch you in the groin. Will you accept ~or would you like to learn more~?
Sorry, I didn't quite catch that. Did you say you accept?
Ah, you don't want to be punched in the groin. That's OK, I understand. We value your painless existence very much.
Now, obviously we cannot let you opt out of the Strictly Necessary punches in the groin. Surely you understand that if it's necessary to punch you in the groin, your permission or lackthereof is irrelevant. Rest assured, this applies only when we really have to punch you in the groin.
What, do you want me to list all the possible circumstances in which one might be obligated to punch you in the groin? Don't be unreasonable, now. I'm sure you know it when you see it.
That aside, I presume we can punch you in the groin for functional purposes? The kind that may not be strictly necessary, but serve a purpose in the functioning of our service.
Oh, we can't? It's OK, you have the right to make that choice. We don't judge. Anyway, we take it that you're probably at least cool with us punching you in the groin for the purposes of analyzing your behavior to improve our groin punching. Let me know if you decide you don't want us to do that anymore.
Oh, I thought you were cooler than that. Alright, if you hate the working class and want to make it harder for the poor, overworked developers to improve your experience, we'll do it your way. I guess we'll have to make do with just the groin punches that are strictly necessary or for marketing purposes.
Ah, aren't you observant. Have you ever noticed that all the adverts you get are really terrible? That's because advertisers need to be able to punch you in the groin to find out what you like and to make their ads more appealing to you. Just food for thought. But if you really insist…
Fine, fine. Marketing groin punches are out. As for your question, no we don't identify as an advertising company per se. But we are partnered with other companies that are in fact advertising companies. Would you like to adjust your preferences for our groin punching partners?
Well maybe to you it looks like the opt-out process we just went through should also cover this part but can we really know if we don't look?
Who's a good puppy? You're a good puppy, yes you are! ❤️
Will you deny us permission to punch you in the groin on behalf of AAAAAAAAAAA Inc. or will you not?
OK, so we can only punch you in the groin on behalf of AAAAAAAAAAA Inc. for the purposes of Legitimate Interest?
It means the kinds of purposes where there is a legitimate interest to punch you in the groin.
Why would you ask if you didn't want me to answer? Fine, that's a no for Legitimate Interest based groin punching on behalf of AAAAAAAAAAA Inc.
Will you deny us permission to punch you in the groin on behalf of AAAAAAAAAAB Inc. or will you not?
Oh, we have a total of six hundred and sixteen thousand six hundred and sixty-six partners in our crotch impactizing network.
Indeed, we are proud to have such a wide network of trusted allies.
Ugh, fine. I guess I can check the end of the list to see if there's a way to make a selection for all of them at once. Honestly, this form is starting to make me a bit dizzy as well.
Wow, who knew flipping through all those pages would take so long. There's a line in here that says "disagree to all", but there's no checkbox or anything. It's just there. Clicking it doesn't seem to change anything. You can probably assume it worked.
Please calm down, we're almost done. Would you like to accept and save?
Well it sounds like I mean "accept and save the options you just set", not the ones we offered initially, doesn't it?
Your groin punching settings have been applied. I don't think there were any mistakes, but if you need to change the settings, you can find the form hidden somewhere in this house, assuming we remembered to put it there.
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Im gonna build a special circle in hell for these people, together with the 'yes' or 'ask me again later' people. On this circle all the software your stack depends on will break your build and releases a new release every friday at 5. Whohahhahah
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Possibly I’m the last to hear about this one, but seeing as proton mail has come up here a few times before: the founder and ceo Andy Yen is apparently a Trump fan.
Great pick by @realDonaldTrump. 10 years ago, Republicans were the party of big business and Dems stood for the little guys, but today the tables have completely turned. People forget that the current antitrust actions against Big Tech were started under the first Trump admin.
(from the beginning of december, on the nomination of trump staffer Gail Slater to antitrust post at the doj)
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Looks like LW/Lightcone managed to convince enough people to give then $2M, which will totally not be used to settle sexual assault lawsuits in the future.
It will instead be used to purchase another castle in which to perform SA
Crying in LW
It was a stately home goddammit! Stop weakmanning meeeeeeeeee
But how are we supposed to grift our absurd ideology into respectability without having a stately English manor to entertain people in??
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Don't confuse the Conference Castle with the (Non)Consent Castle!
there it is, sammy has gone and said people are just prompting the model wrong (I recall we’ve had that bit said here earlier)
but in true sammy grift: you just need to be asking the right questions to trump intelligence. “why do you want to suck, as a human?” sammy asks, not understanding a moment of humanity
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Remember how OAI claimed that O3 had displayed superhuman levels on the mega hard Frontier Math exam written by Fields Medalist? Funny/totally not fishy story haha. Turns out OAI had exclusive access to that test for months and funded its creation and refused to let the creators of test publicly acknowledge this until after OAI did their big stupid magic trick.
From Subbarao Kambhampati via linkedIn:
"𝐎𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐞𝐞𝐝𝐲 𝐨𝐩𝐭𝐢𝐜𝐬 𝐨𝐟 "𝑩𝒖𝒊𝒍𝒅𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒂𝒏 𝑨𝑮𝑰 𝑴𝒐𝒂𝒕 𝒃𝒚 𝑪𝒐𝒓𝒓𝒂𝒍𝒍𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝑩𝒆𝒏𝒄𝒉𝒎𝒂𝒓𝒌 𝑪𝒓𝒆𝒂𝒕𝒐𝒓𝒔" hashtag#SundayHarangue. One of the big reasons for the increased volume of "𝐀𝐆𝐈 𝐓𝐨𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐫𝐨𝐰" hype has been o3's performance on the "frontier math" benchmark--something that other models basically had no handle on.
We are now being told (https://lnkd.in/gUaGKuAE) that this benchmark data may have been exclusively available (https://lnkd.in/g5E3tcse) to OpenAI since before o1--and that the benchmark creators were not allowed to disclose this *until after o3 *.
That o3 does well on frontier math held-out set is impressive, no doubt, but the mental picture of "𝒐1/𝒐3 𝒘𝒆𝒓𝒆 𝒋𝒖𝒔𝒕 𝒃𝒆𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒕𝒓𝒂𝒊𝒏𝒆𝒅 𝒐𝒏 𝒔𝒊𝒎𝒑𝒍𝒆 𝒎𝒂𝒕𝒉, 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒚 𝒃𝒐𝒐𝒕𝒔𝒕𝒓𝒂𝒑𝒑𝒆𝒅 𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒎𝒔𝒆𝒍𝒗𝒆𝒔 𝒕𝒐 𝒇𝒓𝒐𝒏𝒕𝒊𝒆𝒓 𝒎𝒂𝒕𝒉"--that the AGI tomorrow crowd seem to have--that 𝘖𝘱𝘦𝘯𝘈𝘐 𝘸𝘩𝘪𝘭𝘦 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘦𝘹𝘱𝘭𝘪𝘤𝘪𝘵𝘭𝘺 𝘤𝘭𝘢𝘪𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘨, 𝘤𝘦𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘪𝘯𝘭𝘺 𝘥𝘪𝘥𝘯'𝘵 𝘥𝘪𝘳𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘭𝘺 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘳𝘢𝘥𝘪𝘤𝘵--is shattered by this. (I have, in fact, been grumbling to my students since o3 announcement that I don't completely believe that OpenAI didn't have access to the Olympiad/Frontier Math data before hand.. )
I do think o1/o3 are impressive technical achievements (see https://lnkd.in/gvVqmTG9 )
𝑫𝒐𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒘𝒆𝒍𝒍 𝒐𝒏 𝒉𝒂𝒓𝒅 𝒃𝒆𝒏𝒄𝒉𝒎𝒂𝒓𝒌𝒔 𝒕𝒉𝒂𝒕 𝒚𝒐𝒖 𝒉𝒂𝒅 𝒑𝒓𝒊𝒐𝒓 𝒂𝒄𝒄𝒆𝒔𝒔 𝒕𝒐 𝒊𝒔 𝒔𝒕𝒊𝒍𝒍 𝒊𝒎𝒑𝒓𝒆𝒔𝒔𝒊𝒗𝒆--𝒃𝒖𝒕 𝒅𝒐𝒆𝒔𝒏'𝒕 𝒒𝒖𝒊𝒕𝒆 𝒔𝒄𝒓𝒆𝒂𝒎 "𝑨𝑮𝑰 𝑻𝒐𝒎𝒐𝒓𝒓𝒐𝒘."
We all know that data contamination is an issue with LLMs and LRMs. We also know that reasoning claims need more careful vetting than "𝘸𝘦 𝘥𝘪𝘥𝘯'𝘵 𝘴𝘦𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘤𝘪𝘧𝘪𝘤 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘣𝘭𝘦𝘮 𝘪𝘯𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘦 𝘥𝘶𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘳𝘢𝘪𝘯𝘪𝘯𝘨" (see "In vs. Out of Distribution analyses are not that useful for understanding LLM reasoning capabilities" https://lnkd.in/gZ2wBM_F ).
At the very least, this episode further argues for increased vigilance/skepticism on the part of AI research community in how they parse the benchmark claims put out commercial entities."
Big stupid snake oil strikes again.
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MDN has fucking ads now????
(also, image uploads are back, weird how pict-rs sometimes just shits the bed)
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a fucking “ads by Mozilla” banner at the top of mdn web docs advertising mongodb’s LLM of all fucking things
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With risk of falling into the 'classify people into two binary groups' thing which I have often criticized the Rationalist for. Move over jock vs nerd. There is Jock vs Creep.
new developments in things understanding by promptfondlers https://feddit.uk/post/22751391
Underlying original post: a Twitter bluecheck says,
Sometimes in the process of writing a good enough prompt for ChatGPT, I end up solving my own problem, without even needing to submit it.
Matt Novak on Bluesky screenshots this and comments,
AI folks have now discovered "thinking"
Scooter pulls out Richard Lynn’s national IQ figures. https://archive.is/BJ6bd
isn't it racist / dumb to say they have 60 IQ?
no according to Kirkegaard
Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu (pause to catch breath) uh.
A well at least the mask is totally off now.
E: and a thing that has been bothering me, it is quite fucked up for somebody with Scotts education to go along with this argument about disabled people that easily.
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(Not that this is the first time he forgets he has an official education, and cant just ignore that (yes im still mad about the time he said "well she had mental health issues and was a liar" or something about the woman who tragically ended her life after accusing parts of the community of sexual abuse, and didnt mention that a reputation like that would increase the risk of abuse)).
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