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In an unexpected mask off "secure" email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton's services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let's collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here 🔐👇

Always try to provide:

-Server location (jurisdiction)

-Governance

-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency

-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

-Pricing and links

If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

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[–] secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world 0 points 42 minutes ago

If a car company in Germany complemented Hitler on his paintings, would it be still fine to buy their cars? And what if they were a really great car company and only mentioned how cool Hitler's paintings were and nothing else?

I sort of feel like if I am cool with Proton's statement, then I also am cool with trans people and Latino people and Gazan people being treated poorly, and I'm not actually cool with that.

It's unfortunate, because despite Proton not accepting XMR and logging IPs when they promised they wouldn't and doing other questionable practices, they have a lot of great services. But now, it's like if I'm using their services, I'm sort of spitting on the grave of every trans person who ended their life out of shame, spitting on the grave of every dead Gazan who simply didn't want to die, and being disrespectful to all the cool Latinos out there who have been degraded simply out of racism.

:-(

[–] tomatol@lemm.ee 1 points 29 minutes ago

Thanks for this post. Any alternatives for Drive specifically??

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 hours ago

I own and operate https://port87.com/, and in no way am I even close to right wing. I don’t call myself a liberal, and get offended when people do, because I’m a leftist.

It’s not ready for business email yet, but it’ll work for your personal email.

[–] marcie@lemmy.ml 53 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Truly unhinged that they decided to come out on this. Fellas, you are fucking Swiss why throw yourself under the bus for the US election

[–] Siathes@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Sooo, can we not create and/or finance our own? Please be gentle…but…is there not enough of us paying for proton and other privacy apps to fund a floss or non-profit version? I mean there are tech nerds all over this place, along with law nerds and political nerds…etc..(meant with love btw) that would have an instant user base.

I pledge here to sub up to $15usd/month for any lemmy person that starts an entity that provides us with what we need with ethics and morality of lemmy common.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

You need a domain with enough reputation to not just get immediately flagged as spam, or sites outright refuse letting you use the email because they detect the domain as "invalid".

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 6 points 3 hours ago

Damn it my two year subscription just got refreshed...

[–] TCB13@lemmy.world 16 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

This is amazing. People were perfectly okay with ignoring all the red flags in Proton and their products and really okay with buying all their bullshit, then a tweet saying Trump comes up and that's it. lol

[–] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 1 points 52 minutes ago

What red flags?

[–] MrRazamataz@lemmy.razbot.xyz 5 points 1 hour ago (2 children)
[–] from_D4rkness@lemmy.world 4 points 34 minutes ago

From what I recall, the red flags included stuff like giving the IP away of activists, having access to private keys while claiming e2e, and taking more info than they claim. I am busy atm, but i can find some links to sources when I get a chance.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 hour ago (2 children)
[–] rooster_butt@lemm.ee 14 points 1 hour ago

But also a big plus. I'm so conflicted.

[–] myrrh@ttrpg.network 3 points 38 minutes ago

...that looks pretty modestly-sized in the foreground, honestly...

(this is a huge red flag:)

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 19 points 3 hours ago

🤷 sometimes people grumble quietly until a final straw is added to the stack. Not surprising.

[–] Charger8232@lemmy.ml 37 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (3 children)

I will continue to use Proton and their services, not because I support or endorse any political decisions from the CEO/board members (and I don't), but because they provide open source, secure, and private software that I love.

This is no different than arguing about using GrapheneOS based on the behavior of the maintainers.

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[–] ShotDonkey@lemmy.world 14 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

OK I think I will move to Posteo. Great security, privacy focussed, servers in Germany, running with 100% renewable energy. Prices are ok, too. Ticks all boxes.

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[–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 21 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Tweet is from early december. Why is it blowing up now?

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 6 points 3 hours ago

I guess on the one hand people are anxious about Trumps inaugeration and on the other hand this is a great opportunity for competitors or otherwise opposed people to launch an astroturfing campaign off of it.

When looking at posts titled has gone "full MAGA" for saying they feel Trump is more likely to enact antitrust rules against big tech than Democrats who let them down the past years, is just absurd.

It is the same line of reasoning like claiming the WHO to have been a chinese asset because they supported some of Chinas anti-Covid measures.

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