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In an unexpected mask off "secure" email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton's services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let's collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here ๐Ÿ”๐Ÿ‘‡

Always try to provide:

-Server location (jurisdiction)

-Governance

-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency

-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

-Pricing and links

If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

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[โ€“] schnapspraline@lemmy.world 13 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

My personal recommendations:

https://uberspace.de/

  • Server location (jurisdiction): Germany
  • Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency: About-Page
  • User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8): 6
  • Pricing: Based on solidarity, but recommend minimum is 5 โ‚ฌ per month

https://www.hostsharing.net/

  • Server location (jurisdiction): Germany
  • Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency: well, you own part of hostsharing if you use it (collective-ownership)
  • User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8): 6
  • Pricing: 64 โ‚ฌ onetime payment + 10 โ‚ฌ per month (cooperative)

Other recommendations:

  • mailbox.org, systemli.org, riseup.net, posteo.de (as far as I know all of them are located in Germany)
[โ€“] No1@aussie.zone 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Excuse my ignorance, but why is Germany a good place for privacy vs proton's Sweden?

And also eg, versus a non EU nation ?

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[โ€“] Perhapsjustsniffit@lemmy.ca 17 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Uggghhh I just upped for two years. Fucking asshats are all caving to the orange fuckhead. Probably off to Europe somewhere.

[โ€“] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Ask them for a cancellation and refund. Don't explain the reason, just say you changed your mind, make up some excuse if they ask.

[โ€“] DeeBeeDouble@lemmy.ml 11 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Why wouldn't you tell them the reason?

[โ€“] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Get the money back first, then say the reason. Don't wanna bring up politics in case they wanna be a douche and deny refund.

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[โ€“] chrisbit@leminal.space 1 points 5 hours ago

I believe they offer refunds if you cancel within 30 days.

[โ€“] zdhzm2pgp@lemmy.ml 15 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

AFAICT, it looks like all he's doing is praising Trump's pick for AG in the Antitrust division . . . although if you look over her Wikipedia page, you're right, it doesn't look all that encouraging.

Can someone on Mastodon ask the Proton CEO what it was exactly that she did that he likes so much? Anyone who can work at Fox for any length of time, frankly, is complete and utter shite.

EDIT: Also, just as a broken clock can be right twice a day, President ๐Ÿ„ sank the Trans Pacific Partnership, which was the right thing to do, but for the wrong reason: mainly to get back at Obama for existing. So in the same way, I suppose it's possible that Slater did something good, but I'd sure like to know what it was.

[โ€“] TommySoda@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago

God damnit I literally just got Proton going like 4 days ago.

[โ€“] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 10 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Uhg. How much longer until it's more viable to self host...

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[โ€“] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Whatever you choose, remember that ease of migration is important. So for email buy your own domain name and use a service like mailbox.org that allows custom domains and full IMAP access.

[โ€“] Snothvalpen@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

As far as I can tell from posteo's own FAQ site, they do not allow custom domains. I'd really consider swithcing to them otherwise. Do you use posteo?

[โ€“] perishthethought@lemm.ee 2 points 5 hours ago

I literally just asked their support about this last year and they confirmed they intentionally don't offer this option.

[โ€“] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Woops I think I was thinking of mailbox.org who does support domains.

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[โ€“] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 8 points 8 hours ago

I was mulling moving everything from Google to Proton. Guess I'll keep my money for now.

[โ€“] zdhzm2pgp@lemmy.ml 9 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (4 children)

You could look at infomaniak, but I didn't have the best experience trying out (or even getting started with) their services. Finding a provider that has all of Proton's apps is going to be tough (or at least it was from me while I was looking to escape from Tuta). Good luck, tho.

EDIT: Infomaniak is on F-Droid!

[โ€“] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 11 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

Finding a provider that has all of Proton's apps is going to be toug

Nobody should be using any provider as one stop shop... That's how we got cooked by Google and Apple the first time folks.

Unbundle, mix and match...

Yeah it auck Proton did this but if you only got one proton service, it is eaiser to either do nothing or switch it.

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[โ€“] JackAttack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 hours ago

Ive been using proton for a little more than a year now and I think that the service is one of the best out there. That, and their privacy guides in their blog are great as well. I think abandoning ship this early isn't really a need. I've abondonded things like Plex for jellyfin due to Plex starting to feel very commerical. As others have pointed out, the governing of the company may keep one individuals views from interfering with the products. With that said, if your beliefs swing opposite, i see how it can leave a bad taste and make it worth keeping an eye on the direction of the company.

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