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In an unexpected mask off "secure" email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton's services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let's collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here πŸ”πŸ‘‡

Always try to provide:

-Server location (jurisdiction)

-Governance

-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency

-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

-Pricing and links

If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

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[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 10 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Uhg. How much longer until it's more viable to self host...

[–] Apollo2323@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I will prefer to pay Zoho Mail instead of supporting Proton Mail. I was just holding into them because of their support to privacy and security but the lack of support to Linux and now this. I will move on.

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[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago

I was mulling moving everything from Google to Proton. Guess I'll keep my money for now.

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

As a Brit, I'm not offended by the Proton CEO's post. I don't like Donald Trump BUT I do like that he has hired someone who should be tough on tech anti-trust moves. This is very important.

Americans can be obsessed with their electoral system, but the rest of us don't have to pretend to support the Democrats or Republicans. I don't necessarily agree with all of Andy Yen's take regarding the two parties, but I'm not offended enough by it to boycott Proton, certainly not based on one tweet. I can also see the pragmatic benefit to his position by massaging trumps well known fragile ego.

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[–] zdhzm2pgp@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (8 children)

You could look at infomaniak, but I didn't have the best experience trying out (or even getting started with) their services. Finding a provider that has all of Proton's apps is going to be tough (or at least it was from me while I was looking to escape from Tuta). Good luck, tho.

EDIT: Infomaniak is on F-Droid!

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[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Whatever you choose, remember that ease of migration is important. So for email buy your own domain name and use a service like mailbox.org that allows custom domains and full IMAP access.

[–] Snothvalpen@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

As far as I can tell from posteo's own FAQ site, they do not allow custom domains. I'd really consider swithcing to them otherwise. Do you use posteo?

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Woops I think I was thinking of mailbox.org who does support domains.

[–] Snothvalpen@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Fair mistake to make, they have a very similar colour scheme I can see. Happy to hear of yet another mail provider to consider, I want to hear about as many as possible; I want to make the right choice

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Yeah I get them confused constantly hah.

At least with your own domain name and IMAP, changing email providers is pretty quick and easy.

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[–] derbolle@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

i wanted to move my google stuff to Proton this year as a Backup for my self hosted stuff. Shame, seems like I need to put a little more time into managing my self hosted stuff

I was looking at Tresorit as a potential cloud option. I mean, not becausw of the Andy Yen stupid tweets debacle, its because Proton's mobile app is utter garbage, can't even download an entire folder when almost every other cloud provider can.

There are also Sync.com and Icecloud but I didn't like those. Sync.com's app looks outdated af, Icecloud makes extraordinary claims like how AES is built by the NSA and therefore is somehow "insecure" so they use a different algorithm. So Tresorit seems like the only one left that does encryption by default. (Mega's predecessor was shut down before, so I don't trust them for file longevity).

Anyone else got any other suggestions for cloud storage providers?

[–] kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 4 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

is tuta the new pick for custom domain email?

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 1 points 8 hours ago

Mailbox.org is another good one.

[–] perishthethought@lemm.ee 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I don't know about "the pick" but it was mine. Six months ago I looked around and decided to stay with Tuta for now. Encrypted email + calendar, on my custom domain, is all I need though. Ymmv

[–] kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 2 points 8 hours ago

I only need email but they seem decent and much cheaper for multiple custom domains. They were one of the options I looked at before I signed up for proton and looks like they’ve improved a lot since, too

[–] JackAttack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 hours ago

Ive been using proton for a little more than a year now and I think that the service is one of the best out there. That, and their privacy guides in their blog are great as well. I think abandoning ship this early isn't really a need. I've abondonded things like Plex for jellyfin due to Plex starting to feel very commerical. As others have pointed out, the governing of the company may keep one individuals views from interfering with the products. With that said, if your beliefs swing opposite, i see how it can leave a bad taste and make it worth keeping an eye on the direction of the company.

[–] myrmidex@slrpnk.net 3 points 10 hours ago

So long, and thanks for all the fish

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