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I'm not trying to convince anyone to go back i promise, quite the contrary actually cause I think spez plans to just decrease the cost of the API and act like it was a bargain deal sacrifice while not solving any of the issues at all

But, when I think about it even if spez did actually listen and reverse all changes I don't think i want to go back to Reddit cause from what Ive seen Lemmy is just friendlier and less :Be Corporate Friendly: I would honestly love it if Lemmy did a project like r/place one of these days so we could see what the internet is actually like instead of what happened in 2022 (I really did enjoy what a bunch of communities did but when the mods started abusing their powers to make it corporate r/place lost so much meaning) but i am curious since i'm not going back is there anything Reddit can do to make you go back to Reddit?

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[–] WindowLicker@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

if reddit becomes federated I'll consider subscribing

[–] Tordoc@beehaw.org 13 points 1 year ago

I don't think there is anything they can do to get me back anymore. I have a lot of issues with the culture that exists on that site, and that's not something that can be fixed by walking back the API stuff or removing a few problematic individuals.

[–] followthewhiterabbit@beehaw.org 13 points 1 year ago

I'm done.

The subs I moderated have either gone dark, or are going dark in the next ciuple days.

And with that I let the mod teams I was a part of know that I am moving on. I hate what reddit did to the community, and my time feels better spent where it will be appreciated.

[–] mrwiggles@prime8s.xyz 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Too late, I've invested too much time, money, and effort into setting up my own Lemmy instance so I can share the love of open source and federated projects with others. What happens if lemmy.ml is overloaded? Go somewhere else and set up an account, and you can reduce the load on their servers.

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[–] OpposedScroll75@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's quite simple, actually. It would need to go back to what it was. It doesn't really have to be open source, it just has to be a site where its CEO's only focus isn't milking money but rather improving the site

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[–] Googleproof@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I'm still using it because old-dot-reddit-dot-com still works, and until it doesn't, I probably will. That said, I'd rather the fediverse thrive than the increasingly corporate-beholden reddit does, so I'll favour what sparse engagement I make to a lemmy instance first.

I think what's hardest to replace from reddit is the absolutely monstrous archive of posts and discussions, which seems to be a bit of a two-edged sword for them (if the official statements are to be believed) - it costs a tonne in hosting, but makes them the most relevant source for real human discourse. This needs to be handled better, and ideally I'd want to see:

  • Some sort of archive-dot-reddit-dot-com. Minimal, flat html, ideally anonymised as much as computer-ly possible to help with the inevitable privacy issues this would raise.
  • Some sort of mobile-dot-old-dot-reddit-dot-com, as they seem incapable of making an app without bloaty (both visual and bandwidth wise) "features". Call me a boomer, but if I can do something without a specific app, I would rather do it that way.
  • Separate i-dot-reddit-dot-com and v-dot-reddit-dot-com into different companies from the main reddit, reddit should be link aggregation and discussion, content hosting seems like a costly thing to try and monopolise.
  • If it really costs so much to run the APIs, I'd rather see more user-based rate limiting than price gouging to discourage bad actors. I do not think that is why they are price gouging, but am trying to assume good faith on their part for discussions' sake.

I know I'm an idiot, and some of these are possibly already done and I just haven't looked hard enough, probably some are impossible for obvious reasons I haven't seen. Though even if reddit as a company turned around and tried to become a curator of the discussions it holds rather than milk it's current audience dry with ads, I'd still rather see lemmy out-compete it. Protocol > Platform.

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[–] dylan@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

There’s nothing that could male go back. I’ve wanted to leave for years but there was never a good replacement. Here’s to a good future for Lemmy!

[–] hydra@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Return in all aspects to how it used to be in 2014 or earlier, but it will never happen because enshittification cannot be reverted.

That includes the bloated inefficient new design that includes an intentionally hostile mobile website that shits the bed on 3G connections, the echo chamber machinery, random layout shifts, NSFW login walls, automated censorship and shadowbanning, the privileges for the big subreddits and the big sponsored powermods.

[–] Garrathian@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I haven't completely left, and to be honest the only way I'd completely leave is if the niche communities I cared about died (or were active here). That being said I've noticed my reddit usage has plummeted over the last week. I used to basically live on that dumb site and now I only check it maybe once or twice a day for a couple minutes

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[–] Jediotty@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I'm wiping my account tonight and will be doing an account delete bit right before the black outs.

I honestly don't think anything would get me to go back. I don't think I'll miss my doom scroll app. Lemmy feels much more easy to actually be apart of, and my account can interact with other fedverse stuff, heck yeah.

The only subreddit I'm going to miss that I haven't seen an alternative of is r/196, so I hope that pops up.

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[–] Jezebelley@midwest.social 11 points 1 year ago

I’ll go back to Reddit if Spez eats shit publicly and Apollo is uncanceled.

[–] g8phcon2@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Implement ActivityPub, or I I suppose another protocol like Nostr, Ostatus, pump.io, or Diaspora*, and join the fediverse. Preferably publishing their code under the AGPL, but even if they kept it as non-free software I'd still probably get back on. I suppose if they did end-to-end security truly decentralized, like Scuttlebutt or Status, I'd do that too.

[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Nothing. They've burned too many bridges and have lost all faith the community had in them. Without a community, they are nothing.

[–] Manticore@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Be usable and intuitive on mobile, including NSFW, no subscription (one-time purchase is ok), no/limited unobtrusive ads, no excessive data consumption. That's what the 3p app I used was.

I don't socialise on Reddit. Whenever I do, I almost always regret it. But I do kill time while in queues, or on the bus, or on break at work. That needs to be on mobile. Or to 'kill time' at home. That needs to include NSFW. And I want to be seeing the content I went there to see, not miles of ads and promoted posts. And I definitely don't have the budget to pay for it over and over and over. Mobile data is also capped and very expensive here.

It's still usable on desktop, but... I don't use desktop on the bus. It's still available on mobile, but... I don't want to load 5 different resolutions of each video on my limited mobile data.

[–] golden_zealot@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Too late, found something better.

[–] Mars7x@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even if they revert the API changes, I know It's only going to get worse when the IPO happens, so I don't think I could ever come back. I also like the federated approach more anyways 🤷

[–] silicon_reverie@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I like the idea of federation, but worry about three things:

  1. What happens when the instance I'm a part of pulls a Spez? With a federated system, it's easy enough to join another instance or spin up my own. However, it now means that I've got to keep an eye on dozens of community policy statements instead of just one, and none of these tiny fiefdoms are large enough yet to have dealt with the moderation growing pains that truly sink sites.
  2. How do they get paid? If even a small fraction of Reddit migrates to Beehaw, we're talking about several orders of magnitude more server fees. What does it mean for data privacy when all these fediverse sites finally start thinking about sustainable funding models? What does it mean for moderation when Beehaw is large enough to attract bots, shills, and corporate interests?
  3. Privacy. The only thing keeping posts and DMs private in the fediverse is a handshake agreement that if you run an instance, you won't leak things you're sent from the other instances
[–] Mars7x@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago

Those are valid concerns, however privacy could be solved by support for encrypted DMs and posts. IIRC Mastodon has plans for encrypted posts and DMs, so it's not out of the realm.

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[–] Cipher@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago

This was the final bloodletting of my trust. There is no going back. That's why I deleted all of my content and my account

[–] aaron@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

It couldn't. The enshittification has long since begun.

[–] RoaringSilence@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

Speaking of me, nothing. I erased my history, deleted my account.

Reddit should go his path chosen, don't hold back travelers.

[–] lackthought@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've been enjoying reddit less and less for a couple years already, the site is too big and there is so much junk on there to wade through

it is refreshing to see a smaller community elsewhere, and I like the concept of a fediverse more and more

I'm going to replace the subreddits I used to visit with communities and people on lemmy, mastodon, etc

reddit served its purpose (a digg replacement back in the day), now is the time for a new replacement

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[–] Elbullazul@lem.elbullazul.com 10 points 1 year ago

I think the platform is too far gone to regain my trust, I don't think I'll ever go back

[–] cerevant@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This is kind of like the Wizards of the Coast / OGL situation for me - just enough to make me consider the alternatives, and realize that the alternatives are a better long term solution.

Reddit has become overrun with crypto scam spammers, and they don't appear to be making any attempt to control it. We'll see if the fediverse can do a better job.

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[–] casey@lemmy.wiuf.net 9 points 1 year ago

I absolutely loved reading wholesome content like this. That's a great idea! We should collectively work together to shape how we want our future year to be!

[–] missingno@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I'm not gone yet and I don't know if I actually will be. No matter how frustrated I am with the platform and have been for years now, I don't feel that anything else is ready to replace it.

I wish Lemmy the best but I have my doubts as to how well it'll take off. I remember when Digg died, Reddit was already popular enough to make jumping ship a no brainer for just about everyone. Lemmy is not there yet, and I don't know if it ever will be. It's much smaller than Mastodon/Fediverse, and that's been very slow to pull users away from the even more hated platform it wants to challenge. Can Lemmy achieve the critical mass it needs to succeed?

What's mainly keeping me on Reddit is certain small subs for niche hobbies. Only on the largest platforms is it possible to find people who share my microinterests. Reddit and Discord are it, and Discord really only works as an ephemeral chatroom, it's terrible for news or threaded discussion. Not to mention how much of a problem it is that Discord isn't indexed by search engines.

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[–] Triage8420@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Pay off all my debt. And take me out to a fancy dinner. Wine and dine me, Spez. Then I'll use reddit again. (I would still use lemmy secretly on the side)

[–] chillybones@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At this point in time, they have a lot to prove to get me to go back. The site itself has already felt like a lot of recycled content is coming up more and the conversations in some of my favorite subs have already become less deep and engaging. The recommendations and discovery have become kind of subpar and don't even get me started on the native app and website. I work in the development field and the treatment of the third party developers has been garbage, unless there is a major overhaul of the leadership and some really sincere apologizing to those that have mistreated, I just don't see an avenue back at this point.

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[–] Badass_panda@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I'm honestly not "gone" yet, this is my first day on Lemmy. I'm still a little uncertain. Here's what's on my mind:

  • Reddit isn't, and never has been, profitable. That means that things we don't like are only going to get more and more likely for them to do, because eventually investors will stop paying for them to do the same thing, which we mostly do like.

  • Lemmy looks like a good alternative, and I'd really like to see reddit die faster so all the content I like moves here.

  • At the same time, decentralization isn't a silver bullet. It doesn't mean my experience on Lemmy will get better, it just means the individual server I pick has a lot more control over me. Will I lose my identity / get booted off the server because someone decides to stop operating it? Or doesn't like a comment I write? Etc etc

[–] notroot@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 year ago

Answer: Lift my lifetime permanent ban. Heheh

I jokingly commented "I hope it was full" in a thread about Ted Cruz (aka Zodiac Killer) getting beaned by a beer can during a parade (or sumpin).

That was the last straw for the mods! How dare I "Promote or advocate violence" LOL

[–] eight_byte@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fire the current CEO and get a new one.

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[–] ResidualBit@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

For me, it is too far gone at this point. The events of the last ~week just highlighted something that I was willfully ignorant of in that it has not been the website I joined back in 2007 for a very long time. VC-backed focus on monetization, profit, return on investment, and ipo (and everything that comes along with that) has ramped up tremendously in the last few years and I think this is now the tipping point of Reddit doing a Digg.

It's a bummer, but not shocking or surprising as it follows a long line of exactly the same pattern, across tech. I'll have fond memories for sure, but have accepted it and am ready to move on to something new.

Also, this is my first post. Happy to be here!

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