Putin mentions nukes every 2 weeks. We've been habituated by his frequent mention of nukes. I won't bat an eye until one actually goes off, for which I'm sure there are already plans in place to address by multiple countries, to include non-Western ones. Putin's wanna be mind games are a broken record. I'm excited for when this guy is no longer in the news.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

I hope the west is prepared, we're looking a little dog-bites-tail on the coordinated front.

[–] Wilshire@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The puppet state of Belarus is going to join Russia in its collapse.

[–] michaeljo94@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago

if that alagations are true, that thats the most likely thing to happen.

[–] alternativeninja@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago

Really doesn't mean much. Everywhere is already in range.

[–] worfamerryman@beehaw.org -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So, a guy I see interviewed on YouTube claims to be an ex-cia agent. He said he was basically a James Bond kind of agent. I always doubt these kinds of people.

Anyway, he was saying that Russia will give nukes to belarus and possibly have Belarus’s launch the nuke to Ukraine or Poland.

After that who does nato retaliate against? Belarus? Russia?

So if he is correct, then Belarus may be launching nukes.

[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

The main purpose of nuclear weapons is nuclear deterrence, not launching them. Belarus being next to NATO's occupying forces makes it a highly likely target for a NATO invasion, this secures some stability in the region from Russia's perspective.

[+] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml -16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

"Nooooo, we are the only ones who can have nukes in puppet states all around the globe, nooooooooooo!"

~A liberal

[–] MatFi@lemmy.thias.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

As a German, I would say that the degree of "puppetishness" is a little different from that in Belarus.

[–] Wilshire@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Name one example....

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israel 😬

[–] tookmyname@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israel is a lot of things. A puppet state is not one of them.

[–] peeonyou@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

oh? you mean they don't actually need the billions the US has sent and continues to send every year?

[–] tookmyname@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Getting foreign aide is not the definition of a puppet. Sorry you’re struggling with basic terms.

[–] peeonyou@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

yeah i figured as much.. reddit troll bot army away

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Can you please stop calling users reddit trolls? It undermines the conversation and alienates any user from your viewpoint. It would be more helpful for all of us, including you, if you were to address the topic rather than attack a user's character. If you arguments are sound, then they will hold weight among the rest of us the read them. The voting tool will help with that.

Of course, some trolls are going to come out, but those tend to be evident because they don't argue in good faith and use logical fallacies such as ad hominem attacks. I'm all for hearing different perspectives, it's the only way to grow, so I would be happy to hear your viewpoints.

[–] tookmyname@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You should relax. Not into going on the Internet to fight you, and get into a name calling match. Just here to have a discussion. Cheers.

[–] Wilshire@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago

They're just a troll.

[–] agarorn@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Germany has us nukes. Not that we are a puppet state, but it is undeniable that the US has stationed them in bases around the world.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Germany is in the American sphere of influence and has opted to sacrifice much of its economy for US interests against Russia.

Y'all are pretty puppety when push comes to shove.

[–] agarorn@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sacrifice "much" of its economy? Isn't that a little exaggerated?

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No it's going pretty badly. The energy price spike took out a ton of industry that is very unlikely to come back. If the current state of things is maintained it will just be a large loss. If similar shocks hit a few more times they'd be looking at deindustrialization.

[–] agarorn@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Which tons of industry have been took out? The energy spike is over. I think all energy costs are now higher than the day before the invasion.

[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

UK, France and Israel. Previously the US had nuclear weapons stationed in Japan and South Korea.

[–] Wilshire@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Those aren't puppet states

Puppet states differ from allies, who choose their actions of their own initiative or in accordance with treaties they have voluntarily entered. Puppet states are forced into legally endorsing actions already taken by a foreign power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppet_state#Recent_and_current_examples

[+] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml -8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

All of Europe works as puppet states to the US, it doesn't matter what the official book says because if they would say it out loud then Europe would realise they are being dragged into collapse by the Empire. The same can be said of Israel, you will not hear US officials admitting it, but they maintain good relations because Israel is a key political figure to keep a level of destabilisation in West Asia, Europe fulfils the same role but to control Russia.

[–] stanleytweedle@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All of Europe works as puppet states to the US

Or they just have reasonably aligned interests and you've completely misunderstood the concept of a puppet state.

[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or Belarus has a reasonably aligned interest and you've completely misunderstood the concept of a puppet state.

[–] stanleytweedle@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

At least we can agree that one of us is hilariously incorrect.

[–] peeonyou@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

They're all vassals owned by the US and they do as the US bids them to do. That much should be obvious to absolutely everyone by now..

[–] Wilshire@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The US has a strong economic influence, but those countries still have sovereignty and can have disagreements. Lukashenko has no option but to obey Putin or he'll be dead.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

If you want to know what happens to sovereign countries that step out of line with the US, just look to Libya (highest HDI in Africa to bombed out husk with open slave markets) once it gave up its nukes at US request or Japan in the 90s (dared to have too competitive of an economy, was fiscally destroyed via US financial policy) or Iraq (US-supported against Iran, then targeted for destruction because it opposed being a US client state).

To be an enemy of the US is dangerous. To be an ally is lethal. European leaders are aware of how destructive the US and US-based transnational capital can be. They know how the system works and why their imports are so cheap. Now they're helping the US deindustrialize themselves, which would be counter to any sustainable base of power and economic position without some other leverage (generally sopaking, economic and military threat to everyone else).

[–] Lux@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago

Nooo, literally no one should have nukes

-me

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