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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

Summary

Representative Sarah McBride, the first out trans congresswoman, criticized Donald Trump’s executive order defining gender as strictly male or female.

McBride points out that biologically all embryos develop as female until the SRY gene activates weeks after conception.

The order, which ties gender to reproductive cells at conception, unintentionally categorizes all humans as female from conception based on biological facts.

McBride’s remarks highlight scientific flaws in the policy.

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[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 221 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Anyone who thinks this shit is funny is in for a rude awakening.

They do not fucking care. They will use this the exact same way that they would have used it if it was worded correctly.

You don't get out on technicalities in fascism; if the autocrat in charge wants to do the thing, he will do it. All of these things will be used as cudgels against perceived political enemies, and marginalized US citizens.

[-] Bahnd@lemmy.world 70 points 2 years ago

I want people to try to be less pesimistic, the point is that technicalities like this will waste time. Every one of these exectuive orders is going to be challanged in court, and while the GOP controls the higher courts, these cases will start in the lower ones. With any luck, the lower courts will stay the order until things can get resolved. Every appeal, every challange takes time to process and judges are under no obligation to resolve things quickly.

The goal currently isnt to try and overturn the order, thats just pissing into the wind. The goal is to waste their time for 2 years and hope the house flips, if it does, we can send 47 back to his golf course for the rest of his term because he wont be able to accomplish anything.

[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

The Senate flipping is also a very real possibility in 2026. There are 22 Republican seats up for grabs and only 13 Democratic ones.

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[-] TheTux@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This. In much the same way an elder god doesn't give a damn about conservation of energy or the square cubed law, a dictator with effectively un-checked power doesn't care about wording of executive orders or LAWS. Be careful.
Cthulu has woken from eons (4 years) of slumber (not being president) to ravage the planet, while looking like a moldy cheese puff.

Edit: thankfully he's not nearly as powerful as this metaphor implies, but the point stands. The law won't stop him, I don't trust the Dems to stop him, the only thing that will is worker's might.

[-] Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 years ago

He doesn't have fucking unchecked power, he has a slim majority in congress, a full diaper, and a constitutional deadline before he stops having any power. Don't give him an inch, make them fight for every grain of sand.

[-] keegomatic@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

With this Supreme Court and federal judge stack? Who decides constitutional issues? Who’s going to challenge the Supreme Court legally? The majority GOP senate? Or the majority GOP house of representatives? He has all three branches of government. Who can challenge all three legally? Anyone with a chance (vast wealth) were sitting behind him at the inauguration. In the sense of “checks and balances,” he literally has unchecked power.

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[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 201 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Theres two possible interpretations due to the at conception bit I think. Either he made everyone a woman, or he abolished gender all together. Either way this EO make Trump the single largest gender changer in history as he just changed the gender of either ~150 million or ~300 million people.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 61 points 2 years ago

It's fun to think about the hypotheticals, but the reality here is that it does not matter the exact words in the EO. We know what they mean, and they won't let some silly technicality stop them.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago

I really would like to see some people ask for a divorce off the fact that they were married under false pretenses. They believed they were marrying a man.

[-] samus12345@lemm.ee 27 points 2 years ago

"At conception" leaves no room for interpretation - he abolished gender altogether.

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[-] Absaroka@lemmy.world 134 points 2 years ago

I'm not sure what is more disconcerting. That the people in charge truly are a bunch of fucking idiots.

Or that those idiots have outplayed and outsmarted the Democrats at damn near every turn for 20+ years.

[-] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 46 points 2 years ago

The President in particular is very much a figurehead — he wields no real power whatsoever. He is apparently chosen by the government, but the qualities he is required to display are not those of leadership but those of finely judged outrage. For this reason the President is always a controversial choice, always an infuriating but fascinating character. His job is not to wield power but to draw attention away from it.
– The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, Douglas Adams

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[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

One team is trying to govern, and the other team is trying to win.

If Democrats lied constantly, denied science, sowed fear and hatred, and used the law to enforce their personal religious beliefs... They'd be indistinguishable from Republicans.

[-] ArtemisimetrA@lemmy.duck.cafe 11 points 2 years ago

This assumes the Democrats aren't also keenly aware of what is happening and either doing a real sorry job of putting up any viable opposition or are in on the game. The two-party system is a front

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[-] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 114 points 2 years ago
[-] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 74 points 2 years ago

You've heard of non-binary gender, get ready for its upgraded form: unary gender

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago

Ope we're all gay now. Time to grab the most outrageous outfit you can come up with and get in the parade everybody.

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[-] thefartographer@lemm.ee 19 points 2 years ago

Urinary gender???

Any of y'all wanna join the Peepee Club? Urine!

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[-] Nougat@fedia.io 38 points 2 years ago

TWO GENDERS ENTER! ONE GENDER LEAVES!

[-] superkret@feddit.org 19 points 2 years ago

Mad Musk: Beyond Genderdome

[-] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

You kids are spoiled with all your gender identities. Back in my day, we only had one gender, and we were grateful for it!

[-] superkret@feddit.org 16 points 2 years ago

You were lucky! We had to share a gender with everyone in the village!
And when that prick Jane had it, it always came back bent!

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[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 87 points 2 years ago

I think the bigger issue is hiding in plain sight:

a person belonging, at conception

Personhood does not begin at conception.

[-] Lennny@lemmy.world 47 points 2 years ago

We all know that's why the mistake was made. It's not exactly rocket surgery.

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago

It’s a P2025 script. Oklahoma made it into law into September, with the same ridiculous misunderstanding of basic biology. It doesn’t matter, they know who they are supposed to oppress.

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[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 58 points 2 years ago

Trump: "You must identify with the gender you were at the time of conception."

Science: "Everyone starts out as women and don't become men until 6 weeks after conception."

Trump: "That is exactly what I meant. Everyone who knows science must identify as a girly girl."

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

Trump decided he wanted to be the first female president obviously. Don't you liberals understand 5d chess!?

[-] Artyom@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago

"Trump beat Hilary to being the first woman president" is honestly hilarious to me. Sad, but also hilarious.

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[-] kablammy@sh.itjust.works 50 points 2 years ago

At least McBride can now use the women's restrooms in the Capitol. And so must all the other politicians!

[-] eodur@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago

Does this make him officially the first woman president? So progressive.

[-] TrueStoryBob@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago

If it's retroactive, then we haven't had a single male president.

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[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago

Donvict and his supporters (yeah, I know, don't blame the precious voters!) don't really understand science.

Someone should sue JD Vance for addressing Trump as Mr. President. Illegally addressing him as a man. Clearly sewing doubt in the direct orders of the president, it's detrimental to the entire country.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 34 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Its so stupid that the government of one of the world's most powerful countries is occupying itself trying to restrict people's healthcare and bathroom usage based on some poorly understood and arbitrary rules about zygotes. Meanwhile, the planet burns.

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[-] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 34 points 2 years ago

Bad headline IMO, she's more so pointing out more flaws in it which is different than laughing it off

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 48 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

"This is logically flawed because " won't really bother a bunch of Young Earth Creationists. You're arguing with people who will retreat to the baseline argument "because God said so" in a pinch. Getting into the messy details of embryonic development won't save you, because that's not how their nominations to the FBI, the DOJ, or the Federal Judiciary are going to interpret any of it.

[-] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 39 points 2 years ago

Actually it being poorly written helps a lot with court challenge. That was one of the reasons why so much was overturned in his first administration. There was a fear that this time he'd sign better written executive orders that would survive challanges instead we're getting a lot of them like this

[-] cannibalkitteh@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 2 years ago

The truth is, they don't care how poorly written it is, they're just trying to flood the zone with stuff, and they win no matter the outcome. If it's not challenged, they have policy, if it is challenged, it occupies time and resources and most importantly, if it's challenged unsuccessfully, they have legal precident.

[-] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

it is challenged, it occupies time and resources

It also takes up their time and resources to which I say: good. Slow it all down

They'd rather be able to steam roll through it all. Make them waste time defending everything so they can't sue as much about things they do care about or move on to putting other things in effect

[-] mister_flibble@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago

This is where I'm at too. Even rubber stamping shit takes a non zero amount of time. We should be bouncing back anything that has so much as a misplaced comma, let alone shit like this.

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[-] thefartographer@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago

"God made me a woman at conception and changed me to a man. I'm correcting God's indecisiveness."

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[-] NudeNewt@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago

So this means we did get the first female president! Yippee

[-] Canopyflyer@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

I KNEW IT!

I'M A LESBIAN!!!!!

I've known my whole life and it's a relief to FINALLY to be able to come out officially.

THANK YOU PRESIDENT RUMP!

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