That's par for the course, but it's hilarious that openai "we have to get copyrighted material for free because fuck you" is pulling that defense now.

We got angry when Japan did this in the 60s and 70s. I'm going to paste part of the opening from Neal Stephenson's "Snow Crash."

Why is the Deliverator so equipped? Because people rely on him. He is a roll model. This is America. People do whatever the fuck they feel like doing, you got a problem with that? Because they have a right to. And because they have guns and no one can fucking stop them. As a result, this country has one of the worst economies in the world. When it gets down to it -- talking trade balances here -- once we've brain-drained all our technology into other countries, once things have evened out, they 're making cars in Bolivia and microwave ovens in Tadzhikistan and selling them here -- once our edge in natural resources has been made irrelevant by giant Hong Kong ships and dirigibles that can ship North Dakota all the way to New Zealand for a nickel -- once the Invisible Hand has taken all those historical inequities and smeared them out into a broad global layer of what a Pakistani brickmaker would consider to be prosperity -- y'know what? There's only four things we do better than anyone else

• music
• movies
• microcode (software)
• high-speed pizza delivery

The Deliverator used to make software. Still does, sometimes. But if life were a mellow elementary school run by well-meaning education Ph.D.s, the Deliverator ' s report card would say: "Hiro is so bright and creative but needs to work harder on his cooperation skills."

I'm kinda reminded of the tale of how the Zilog Z80 processor chip had dozens of little "tricks" built into it. It was being produced in Japan which at the time was famous for their chip production and for copying chip designs. Apparently their little tricks were baffling enough that it delayed the appearance of knock-offs chips by half a year.

Look at its widdle toes! 🥹

That's lovely.

Would you hug a face?

To expect any company to not steal is foolish. All development builds on previously proven ideas.

Yeah, but so can others, their vaunted "we trained for years for billions" moat is gone

Competition is back on the menu, and US VCs don't like to play that game

Finders keepers giveth, finders keepers taketh away

How would this cause it to die?

It's literally impossible. I tried to explain it here: https://lemmy.world/comment/14763233

But the short version is OpenAI doesn't even offer access to the data you need for a "distillation," as the term is used in the LLM community.

Of course there's some OpenAI data in the base model, but that's partially because it's splattered all over the internet now.

If anything, this is kind of making people realize the opposite. It isn't stealing when it is corporate (or creator...) but it is TOTALLY stealing when it is individual people... who aren't authors or artists.

The fun part is that "creating" datasets for training steal from everyone equally.

Tell that to nintendo, whenever someone does something legal.

Hey, companies are people too, as has been proven in a court of law

Man that would be as dumb as using Reddit or 4chan to train models.