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By Yasmine El-Sabawi in Washington
Published date: 5 February 2025 02:09 GMT

"On Tuesday, at a stunning joint press conference alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Trump announced the US will be taking over and running Gaza, potentially for the foreseeable future.

“Everybody I've spoken to loves the idea of the United States owning that piece of land, developing and creating thousands of jobs with something that will be magnificent,” Trump told reporters after a three-hour meeting with Netanyahu. "

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[–] booganiganie@lemmy.world 1 points 17 minutes ago

My only reply again is 😂🤣😭

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 hour ago

Admins/mods, I propose we make a rule to stop Americans from arguing about which candidate president from their last election would do genocide less. It sucks the air out of the thread, making everything about themselves.

[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I HOPE KAMALA LEARNED THE LESSON WE TAUGHT HER NOW HAHAHA

[–] psyklax@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 22 minutes ago

Excuse me, she was speaking. Lalalalala! She can't hear you!

[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 hours ago

excited for the Qassam footage of US boots getting red triangle'd, at least

[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 6 points 7 hours ago (5 children)

Where are all the Kamala abstaining voters? What do you have to say for yourself now? Why are you silent now?

[–] psyklax@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 18 minutes ago

Nobody abstained. Kamala lost because even democrats are racist and sexist.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

Disgusting how you're pretending to care now

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Why were you silent a year ago

[–] auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

We weren’t, we were saying this exact thing would happen and should be avoided. Because he told us.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

You mean when this exact thing was happening a year ago you were warning people that it would happen. And to stop it they should support the person who was making it happen?

[–] auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

No, when I said Trump will come in and reverse any sanctions or limits Biden had put, ramp up the genocide in the west bank and let his dumbass son-in-law build hotels in Gaza. And that situation was worth avoiding. Adelson gave $100M to trump PUBLICLY for the west bank, maybe you should advise her as it would've been the exact same under Kamala, right? Could've saved her a lot of cash.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Oh no not the five settlers which were sanctioned. The horror.

Fun fact this is what Biden's envoy did

Israel announces largest West Bank land seizure since 1993 during Blinken visit

[–] auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

and now Trump has announced the largest land seizure since 1948, GG

  • Biden: Imposed sanctions on violent West Bank settlers.

    • Trump: Lifted these sanctions, signaling support for settler activities.
  • Biden: Facilitated humanitarian aid to Gaza.

    • Trump: Proposed ethnically clensing Palestinians from Gaza.
  • Biden: Advocated for ceasefires to de-escalate tensions.

    • Trump: Suggested U.S. control over Gaza, envisioning redevelopment without Palestinian residents.
  • Biden: Withheld specific military aid to prevent civilian harm.

    • Trump: Authorized a $1 billion arms sale to Israel, including heavy munitions.
[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Okay going to report you for Hasbara now.

[–] auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Fuck Israel and fuck you for helping them advance their goals. Trump has done in 2 weeks what generations of war-mongering neo-libs and conservatives couldn't. GG

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The neo libs flattened Gaza.

[–] auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Would have happened either way no matter who was in charge. US was always going to back Israel at first. If Trump had won they’d already have hotels up and the mass graves would be pushing up daisies.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

why is it so difficult for you genocide-enabler supporters to understand that this was always the endgame for the palestinians; biden or not?

in dark cloud circumstances like these, you have to look at the silver linings and the biggest is that the yougov poll shows that the genocide enablers lost this election because of the genocide; it proves that not all democrats have drunken the blue-maga kool-aid

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

You BlueMAGA libs are disgusting.

[–] auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

RedMAGA tankies are the worst. Fell for the Zionist propaganda.

[–] GlacialTurtle@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Zionist propaganda like Biden claiming there were mass rapes on October 7th? Zionist propaganda like Israel cares about humanitarian concerns and isn't murdering random children and mothers as they try to reach hospitals? Zionist propaganda like the hospitals being Hamas and that's why we needed to bomb them? Zionist propaganda like Bill Clinton talking about Judea and Samaria?

[–] auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

No, the Zionist propaganda that convinced you both sides are the same.

All those things are horrific, but there’s always something worse.

[–] GlacialTurtle@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Seems like Democrats could have articulated that rather than spend a year telling their own base to fuck off when their base told them committing to genocide wasn't a good idea electorally.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/17/uncommitted-delegates-bring-gaza-war-message-to-democratic-convention

https://www.npr.org/2024/08/24/nx-s1-5086924/the-dnc-didnt-let-a-palestinian-american-speak-the-uncommitted-movement-took-note

[–] auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

They did, it was completely evident to everyone not wrapped up in this tankie disinfo bubble pushed by conservative govts.

[–] GlacialTurtle@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Tankie disinfo outlets like respected investigative journalism outlet ProPublica?

Several attendees at the November meeting — officials who help lead the State Department’s efforts to promote racial equity, religious freedom and other high-minded principles of democracy — said the United States’ international credibility had been severely damaged by Biden’s unstinting support of Israel. If there was ever a time to hold Israel accountable, one ambassador at the meeting told Tom Sullivan, the State Department’s counselor and a senior policy adviser to Blinken, it was now.

But the decision had already been made. Sullivan said the deadline would likely pass without action and Biden would continue sending shipments of bombs uninterrupted, according to two people who were in the meeting.

Those in the room deflated. “Don’t our law, policy and morals demand it?” an attendee told me later, reflecting on the decision to once again capitulate. “What is the rationale of this approach? There is no explanation they can articulate.”

Soon after, when the 30-day deadline was up, Blinken made it official and said that Israelis had begun implementing most of the steps he had laid out in his letter — all thanks to the pressure the U.S. had applied.

That choice was immediately called into question. On Nov. 14, a U.N. committee said that Israel’s methods in Gaza, including its use of starvation as a weapon, was “consistent with genocide.” Amnesty International went further and concluded a genocide was underway. The International Criminal Court also issued arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his former defense minister for the war crime of deliberately starving civilians, among other allegations. (The U.S. and Israeli governments have rejected the genocide determination as well as the warrants.)

https://www.propublica.org/article/biden-blinken-state-department-israel-gaza-human-rights-horrors

Tankie disinfo outlets like NPR?

https://www.npr.org/2024/08/24/nx-s1-5086924/the-dnc-didnt-let-a-palestinian-american-speak-the-uncommitted-movement-took-note

Tankie disinfo outlets like The Nation?

The White House routinely makes mutually exclusive statements about its desire to “end the war,” while saying Hamas could “have no role in postwar Gaza.” Yet no mainstream reporter, editor, or opinion writer bothers to reconcile this contradiction. This calculated vagueness is central to why Israel is permitted to continue bombing and killing at will for an indefinite amount of time. How can US officials simultaneously push for an “immediate, lasting ceasefire” while, at the same time, saying the other warring party must be completely defeated before they can support a lasting ceasefire?

This isn’t a call for a ceasefire—it’s a call for, in Netanyahu’s phrasing, “total victory.” The pairing of these two mutually exclusive phrases can only mean one thing: In common usage from the White House and its friendly media, “pushing for a ceasefire” means “continuing to bomb and besiege Gaza while reiterating terms of surrender.”

One linguistic trick that permitted this contradiction to go unchallenged is the sleight-of-hand in what the White House means by “ceasefire.” In some contexts, it means the term as it has been used by the Israelis, namely by Netanyahu: a temporary pause in fighting to facilitate hostage exchanges, followed by a continuation of the military campaign whose goal, ostensibly, is to “eliminate Hamas.” But this is explicitly not an effort to “end the war” as Netanyahu made clear repeatedly throughout the conflict.

The White House’s demand to “end the war,” increasingly popular since the summer of 2024, is just a reiteration of surrender terms. The State Department banned its staff from even using the word “ceasefire” for the first few months of the conflict. But in late February 2024, on the eve of a Michigan primary that was embarrassing then-candidate Biden, the White House, as we noted in The Nation at the time, pivoted to embracing the term. But the Biden administration changed its definition to mean (1) hostage negotiations, but with a firm commitment to continue the “war” once Israeli hostages were freed, and (2) a reiteration of surrender demands, sometimes using both definitions simultaneously.

The concepts of “ceasefire” and “push to the end the war” became, like the “peace process,” a ill-defined, open-ended process for process’s sake that US officials could point to in order to frame themselves not as participants in an brutal, largely one-sided siege and bombing campaign but a third party desperately trying—but perpetually failing—to achieve “peace.”

https://www.thenation.com/article/society/us-media-gaza-bias-reporting-genres/

It's really wild how liberals bury their head in the sand and pretend any criticism of Democrats is by definition illlegitimate by virtue of criticising Democrats. You are literally no different than "fake news" Trump stans, but somehow even more moronic with "tankie disinfo outlets". Grow the fuck up.

[–] auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Brother I am not reading that it is not relevant to my point, and I'm not a liberal. Anarchist and not American.

[–] GlacialTurtle@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Brother I am not reading

lmfao I can tell. Although this bit was redundant from the beginning considering your responses doing the "partisan Democrat spends their time trying to vote shame people online rather than do anything productive like maybe supporting the uncommitted movement 8 months ago to force a change in policy on Democrats doing genocide".

and I’m not a liberal. Anarchist

lmfao anarchist but fixated on pathetically vote shaming people online months after the election and referring to any criticism of Democrats as "tankie disinfo outlets".

Sound about right.

Brother I am not reading that it is not relevant to my point,

It's literally directly relevant.

[–] auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Yes an actual leftist not a useful idiot for conservatives. Soak it in.

It's not relevant, explain simply why any of what you posted means letting Trump get in was the better choice.

[–] GlacialTurtle@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Yes an actual leftist not a useful idiot for conservatives. Take it in.

lmao yet you are a useful idiot for defending a party that committed itself to genocide by wasting your time online voter shaming.

It’s not relevant, explain simply why any of what you posted means letting Trump get in was the better choice.

The part where it was Democratic campaigners and politicians who decided risking letting Trump in was the better choice than breaking from endorsing and materially aiding genocide, despite a year of repeated warnings at every level, from the State Department to the voter base campaigning for a change in policy?

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Least incomprehensible shitlib.

[–] auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 hour ago

Lol, if you ever needed more evidence that tankie just means "anyone to the left of Reagan"