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I disagree. I also think your anger should be redirected at the AI companies stealing all the art rather than the people having fun in a sub dedicated for AI.
I'm not particularly fond of AI art, but this is a pretty petty point to make when companies are scraping everything from everywhere
Good point, I know I was just trying to poke fun at "making" AI art at first but I might have gotten a little carried away!
aye, fair enough!
Shit post, not shitpost
Thanks, your comment has made me see the light
Glad I could help 🫡
Well... a person did make the art. Several in fact. ELIZA just took what they made and put it in a blender.
i love making ai art :)
Now I'm triggered /s
He didn't make poetry he only put the WORDS ON THE PAPER? THE Pencil WROTE IT!!
TRUE ART IS CHISELED!!!!
-Pedantic jealous non-artists like you lol
Never said I was an artist. Also if the pencil wrote by itself you might have an argument.
it's more like commissioning an art piece vs really making it
like commissioning a piece of art from an artist who stole all their techniques and style from artists who labored on it their entire lives.
uncompensated.
without any kind of consent or permission.
I really don't see it like commissioning from an actual artist.
i wasn't trying to imply AI was an artist. just trying to suggest a different word for people making the art who want to say "i made this art" well not really you just asked for it. like you would if you had commissioned an artist
The anti ai conservatives are a strange group. Go be mad about something that matters.
When did I say I was anti-ai or conservative. I just didn't like my comment being removed when I said making art involved more than typing in a prompt or 10 and hitting enter.
At its core, conservatism is about "conserving the way things are", or, in another way, being "against change". Anti ai people are against the changes they're seeing. I don't know how else to describe this.
Art is art, if someone has a fun idea and uses ai as the tool to express their idea, then it's art. It may require less effort at the time of creation than other art forms, but this was at the expense of many people spending many hours developing the tools to make that happen.
Just like every era of change, there are people out there pissed off because it's different. People were upset that the printing press was created, because they felt it cheapened knowledge.
It doesn't even make sense. Conservatives love, love, love AI.
Hey, does anyone remember that 500 billion dollar infrastructure package Trump wants to give AI companies? You should, it was two weeks ago.
It's more complicated then that, convervatives generally want to control anything that is new and gives them power, owning the most advanced AI developments is a pro to them, regardless of if they like it or not.
It's also a bit of a handout of course to Trumps buddies who got him elected in some fashion.
Prompted it is the best one I've heard, as crafting the right prompt is something of a skill on its own.
They didn't make it, they prompted the AI to make it.
This is how art has worked for millennia.
I go to a human artist and say "please make me a painting of my family. Make my wife more beautiful, me more tall, and my kids not look like little shits." And then you give money. That's a prompt for a commissioned work.
No one ever praises the Duke of Milan for commissioning a painting of The Last Supper. They praise Leonardo Friggin' di Vinci for making it.
Yeah, that's a great analogy actually.
It is not. The issue here is not "praise".
It's weird to see this used as a con. This is exactly the framing AI app creators use. If it's the same as paying an artist to make you art, then there are no issues whatsoever with using that art wherever.
There are deeper questions here.
This is weird to have to say, because I feel like I'm more open to AI generation than most online people, but I still think it needs a new copyright framework, it's not the same as buying work from a human.
Honestly, these are both simplistic takes. Tools are tools are tools, so for better and worse there is a big gradient across "popped up a genAI and asked for an image with a prompt">"asked a genAI for an image and then asked for changes">"asked a gen AI for an image and then fine tuned it and tweaked it in parts to the point where, let's be honest, this would have been faster to do in Photoshop from scratch" (which is a thing and it baffles me a little)>"made an image using some genAI content in the process".
It's a bit of a mess, and a good reason why to be safe for production and commercial use a lot of pro content creation places just ban the technology outright to avoid legal issues later. That's a good call.
If you want to draw a line for amateur image sharing... I don't know, it gets weird and complicated.
Well it's like you commission a work when you use AI. Do this, more like that, bluer, smaller etc. So not creating art IMO.
there's also sometimes deeper collaboration with image generation, where you edit the result in like krita and then send it through the generator again to smooth out the edges of the touch-ups.
i occasionally do work where i cut up existing images to make new ones, like making a person in a particular pose by pulling an head from one image, a torso from another, an arm and background features from a third etc, then i would painstakingly color match and blend it all together with hours of filter, clone brush and single-pixel edit work. with image generation i can get a blending and lighting pass for my image in a few seconds. it's not perfect but the speed makes the work a lot easier.
People who ask for art didn't do the art. Wretch, you have merely stated a request. Worse, you have spoken your desires to a demon, and now you proudly display its gift as your own work.
This!
It's just a commission.
It's just disappointing how few people are literate with standard occult practices. Never summon anything more powerful than you, never tell your innermost thoughts and desires to a demon, and if you are that stupid don't brag about it. Real JV league demonology.
Cool post but how is this a shitpost
How is it NOT?
It takes less effort to post a single paragraph of ranting than it does to edit the text on a meme image. In a way, this is a shittier shitpost than most.
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You're 100% right. Hell, I've been there. I imagine your comment got deleted because the point of the thread wasnt to debate about the definition of artistry.
Counter argument for the sake of education, go try to recreate his picture using Stable Diffusion. Let me know how easy it is.
I don't really get how this is a counter point. I don't think anyone is contending that the pictures produced are reproducible by the same means. They're contending that the method of production isn't "making" art and they aren't an artist for starting the production process.
It's sort of like when rich people go to space and call themselves an astronaut. People have an idea of what an astronaut does and it isn't just "space tourist." If you fired back with "you try spending that much money and see how easy it is" then that wouldn't answer the point of why people don't want to call space tourists "astronauts."
I don't think their point was just that it's impossible to reproduce, more that there is skill, knowledge and choice put into getting close to the intended idea when working with AI output.
With that I think your point breaks down when you compare it with something like photography. Often you aren't 'making' the images that you capture, but there is skill and artistry in the choices that capture the moment or picture you want. Obviously there is more control in photography, and I would disagree with anyone that uses AI and claims the same level of artistry of photography. But ultimately I think the lines around art are so blurry in general, it seems incorrect to me to do decidedly exclude AI generated images.
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