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[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Meta did not immediately respond to Ars' request for comment and has maintained throughout the litigation that AI training on LibGen was "fair use."

When I upload a single half century old photo to Wikipedia, I have to fill out a relatively complicated form proving that it meets "fair use" standards. Internet Archive got legally fucked for allowing people to read their book scans without restriction for a while. And now these absolute cunts have the gall to defer to "fair use"! I really wonder if the same authors and publishing houses who sued IA will do anything about this.

[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 11 points 6 hours ago

See, Meta is rich and US laws don't seem to apply to American oligarchs.

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 hours ago

I don't usually like Meta, but here they used that data to produce open weights models available to the public. That sort of thing is what piracy is for so I support it.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 24 points 9 hours ago

And they probably never reseeded it afterwards either, the inconsiderate prats

[–] a1studmuffin@aussie.zone 37 points 11 hours ago

This doesn’t mean that Meta denies using shadow libraries, its argument is that using such data to train its LLM models constitutes fair use under U.S. copyright law.

Oh wow, I'm very much looking forward to this argument... "We believe pirating the copyrighted commercial works of others en masse to develop our own commercial product constitutes fair use... China bad!"

[–] nesc@lemmy.cafe 40 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Of course they didn't seed. Fucking leeches.

[–] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 hours ago

They were leeches without the torrenting.

[–] turkalino@lemmy.yachts 84 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Remember when Aaron Swartz tried to do something similar and received multiple life sentences

[–] guaraguaito@lemmy.blahaj.zone 51 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

And was intimidated so bad by the legal system he killed himself.

[–] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 106 points 15 hours ago
[–] AnEilifintChorcra@sopuli.xyz 53 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

“Plaintiffs do not plead a single instance in which any part of any book was, in fact, downloaded by a third party from Meta via torrent, much less that Plaintiffs’ books were somehow distributed by Meta,” the company writes.

Another reason to hate Meta, now they're scummy leechers even though they could afford the bandwidth to seed back

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 23 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Capitalists aren't in the business of sharing.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 4 hours ago

Parasite's entire MO is to never give back.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 4 points 11 hours ago

Downloading and seeding are very legally different.

[–] albert180@discuss.tchncs.de 56 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

If they don't respect copyright I don't respect it either

[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

We just need to wait until copyright regulations get killed... Right?

[–] Bezier@suppo.fi 9 points 13 hours ago

Right?

Right...?

Surely they would...

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 9 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Copyright lobby begs to differ. 😂

[–] heavydust@sh.itjust.works 8 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

My Mullvad account begs to differ. And it makes my banker happy!

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 7 hours ago

That's a lot of Far Side books.

[–] azron@lemmy.ml 32 points 15 hours ago

And they should pay for every book they stole :)

[–] zaknenou@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 14 hours ago