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Today I saw someone had some sort of attack in the middle of the street, no one knew what to do and everyone was staring, incluiding me. I dont want to feel useless again in a situation like that so i decided to do a first aid course, i saw that red course has some courses partially online but they are quite expensive for me. I also cannot find them pirated anywhere, if you know where to find the red cross or any other first aid course for free please let me know :)

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[–] mesh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I highly recommend that you consider enrolling in the physical course. The thing is, simply having theoretical knowledge is just a small part of the whole learning process. It is much more important to practice and experience how to perform resuscitation techniques. Actually feeling the process of performing chest compressions or giving mouth-to-mouth breaths will be immensely helpful in stressful situations.

Just to give you an idea, I have to retake the course every year. While the theory remains more or less the same, the key is to develop and maintain a practical understanding. It's about continually familiarizing yourself with the techniques and gaining a sense of confidence through hands-on practice.

[–] DM_Gold@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

This is the correct answer. A hands on approach is the best approach for a subject like this.

[–] rodetohell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

You are right of course, thank you

[–] Mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Do not under any circumstances pirate a First Aid course. Even if you learn the material completely, you'll have no legal protection if/when something goes wrong. Moreover, much of the material requires hands-on training, not something you can learn from a book or article.

If you want the certification and course, check with your employer. Many will enroll you on their dime since they need a certain number of staff to be certified at all times. It's typically a 2-4 day course and you're paid your salary while doing it.

I'm First-Aid CPR/AED certified. If I see someone in need of help I have certain protections the general public doesn't. Mainly that person can't sue me for breaking a rib, causing an AED burn, etc.

Note: This is accurate for Ontario, Canada. I'm sure other Western jurisdictions work similarly.

[–] zero_iq@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You are partially correct. The general public also has protection written into in law in Canada (Yukon and Nunavut being current exceptions).

From the Ontario "Good Samaritan Act (2001)", Section 2:

Protection from liability

  1. (1) Despite the rules of common law, a person described in subsection (2) who voluntarily and without reasonable expectation of compensation or reward provides the services described in that subsection is not liable for damages that result from the person's negligence in acting or failing to act while providing the services, unless it is established that the damages were caused by the gross negligence of the person. 2001, c. 2, s. 2 (1).[12]

What you are saying really only applies to people who are rendering aid in some kind of professional capacity, or for remuneration. (So a higher bar of competence should be met if it is part of your job to give such assistance, as the above text would not apply to you if it is your job.)

If you are simply helping someone with no expectation of payment, you are not liable for any damages due to your negligence, unless you are acting with gross negligence. And educating yourself in first aid would be a good first step in avoiding negligence.

Gross negligence requires recklessness, or purposeful ignoring of health and safety. If you are acting with good intentions and with due consideration for the health and well being to the best of your ability, it is difficult to see how the bar for gross negligence would be met.

Such "good samaritan" laws are a common feature in many countries around the world, although it should be noted that there are regions (including some in Canada: Yukon and Nunavut) where such laws do not exist.

[–] Mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

As usual, there's more nuance to this than I realized. Thank you for this.

[–] rodetohell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

Thank you, now that you mention it i might be able to get my company to pay for it

[–] heartlessevil@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I've never heard of this. What's the Act (or whatever) that gives those protections? I have a Red Cross first aid certification through my employer and it's only been something useful to have on a resume, there was no mention of legal protections, we are still treated just like any other bystander by the law. My understanding was that protections were only given to people like first responders and the rest was the good samaritan act.

[–] tVxUHF@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

Basically all major countries have Good Samaritan laws on the books. The only exception I am aware of is China, where people regularly get sued for rendering first aid.

[–] Mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Great question!

The Good Samaritan Act in specific is what I'm referring to. As I understand it, we're granted the same protections as first responders under it but must relinquish control once someone with more ability arrives. So long as we stick to what we were trained on, no legal action can be taken.

That's the key to it though. The General Public has no formal training, and therefore less protection.

[–] Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago
[–] atlasraven31@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It may be a good idea to go to a fire station and ask fire ~~men~~ fighters. Given your sympathetic story they might help you learn the basics for free.

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