π¬π§ English (Traditional)
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π¬π§ English
πΊπ² Pidgin English
A pidgin language is a simplified language that appears when people need to communicate with each other, but they don't have a common language. But if the situation lasts long enough for children to grow up learning the mixture of languages as their native language then it quickly evolves into a creole. The difference is that a creole is not a simplified language, and it has regular grammar. While growing up children always "reanalyze" their language to regularize grammar and fill in gaps in expressiveness. This is a main driver in shifts in all languages. The effect is especially profound when starting from an irregular, simplified language.
Because of reanalysis pidgins tend to either be temporary, or to give way to creoles. I don't know of a pidgin that exists in the US right now. There are creoles - there are some details here
Okay. Duly noted and amended...
π¬π§ English
πΊπ² Fuckwit
I dunno if I would say π¬π§ is traditional. At the time of the American Revolution, the British accent was pretty close to what's considered an American accent today.
Check out this video around 13:40 https://youtu.be/KYaqdJ35fPg
Throwback to Microsoft renaming "zip file" to "postcode file" in English.
The difference here obviously being that actual humans worked on the localisation Mint uses, whereas I'm sure Microsoft just uses machine translation.
Yeah, this feels like a courtesy thing. I just didn't expect it.
(And only just now noticed after switching three weeks ago since this was the first time I had to delete anything in all that time.)
That's funny, I hadn't heard that before. Situations like this is why actual humans will always make better translators (overall).
Native readers can almost always tell when something was just run through a translation tool, because translation is about meaning, not just word/phrase replacement. Even LLMs will make weird contextual mistakes because there's no fundamental understanding of meaning.
Ah yes, the old "packed octet sequence, total compression of data encoding" format. It was invented by the boffins at Bletchley between cracking Enigma, and don't let Phil Katz tell you any different. ~waggles finger~
I've never associated .zip files with mailing addresses, a lot of the time they have a zipper pull tab as if you're zipping up tight clothing around them to make them smaller. Nothing to do with the Zone Improvement Plan.
Amusing fact: There was a tool similar to winzip or winRAR for the classic mac called "Stuffit" which I think is the most superior name.
I don't think they are, it was just Microsoft screwing things up. I've never heard someone call them postcode archives.
yeah it's an exapmlenof the Scunthorpe problem.
Some British words are better and some American words are better. It just depends.
I'm from the UK and I think "Trash" and "Garbage" are much more aggressive sounding than "Rubbish". And I like that.
I prefer "landfill"
Does British English distinguish between different kinds of "rubbish" like American English? We generally refer to organic waste as "garbage" and inorganic waste as "trash."
Not really, no. We might add a word or two to clarify the kind of waste but not a different word entirely.
We generally refer to organic waste as "garbage" and inorganic waste as "trash."
Who is this 'we'? Is this regional, maybe? In the regard you mentioned, I use them 100% interchangeably. I'm trying to think of any case where I don't use them interchangeably, and I can't come up with anything. I grew up in the Great Lakes area.
Several years back, I set my phone's language to UK English so the voice assistant would be British, and my flashlight button changed to "Torch".
Unfortunately mine says flashlight which is a mild annoyance since it doesn't flash.
You're not pushing the button fast enough.
*after seeing some other comments, I want to clarify that I was being sarcastic.
So you're saying it's light on flash
Which is objectively a better word. Ah Americans - twice the syllables, twice the letters, and it doesn't even flash!
Reminiscent of "elevator", except that has four times the syllables! "Transportation" (transport), "burglarize" (burgle), "garbage collector" (dustman), "apartment" (flat)... I'm detecting a pattern.
It's nice that in Star Trek they went with British English for their turbolifts.
Can you imagine having to say turboelevator in a hurry? shudders
Which is objectively a better word. Ah Americans - twice the syllables, twice the letters, and it doesn't even flash!
Except torch is a fancy stick with one end on fire. Flashlight is a light giving an intense flash, used for photographing at night or indoors.
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They can flash by pressing the button. On some flashlights partially pressing and releasing the button flashes the light off and on. That's a notable difference from, say, lanterns where you need a cover or shield for signalling.
The problem with "torch" is that there's already a thing called "torch", and now I don't know which thing you mean. The word "flashlight" has avoided critical ambiguity in many of our Indiana Jones movies.
They can flash by pressing the button
Oh come on, this is obvious post-hoc justification!
The problem with βtorchβ is that thereβs already a thing called βtorchβ,
Indeed, it's a thing that you hold in your hand to provide light, as it has been for thousands of years.
Now this is the kind of innovation we need
It's "Wastebasket" in the UK on the GNOME desktop. I'm happy enough with that.
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Just don't put the stuff to delete in /bin or /usr/bin
Right, it goes in ~/.local/bin for safe keeping.
Never really thought about it, but yeah, it's always been "Rubbish Bin" for me.
The directories created on filesystems for temporary storage are still called .Trash-* though.
Did you move to the UK Squid?
I did. Left the U.S. with my daughter on January 20th, arrived here on January 21st.
I'm so happy for you! Well done getting the hell out of there.
Thank you. Now I need a job.
Best of luck. I'm just glad you got out! Was it hard to do?
No, I have dual US/UK citizenship (until Trump decides to revoke my US citizenship, which wouldn't shock me). But I need to find a job paying at least Β£29,000 a year so my daughter can stay on a family visa. She's currently only here on a 6 month visitor visa. My wife is also still in the US and won't be coming over until I secure it.
Can confirm. It always seems overly verbose, though. Why not just bin? Or Rubbish? Nobody IRL would ever say "rubbish bin".
I guess because 'bin' is a shorthand of 'binary', that is, the directory where all your executable files reside, so the developers felt a need to clarify that /usr/bin isn't to be cleaned.
I thought the 'bin' folder in program folders was where they put trash for longer than I'd like to admit. >_<
Well, that's better than moving all your binaries to the rubbish bin
Is your garbage little endian or big endian?
It's a Python source with an executable flag set.
I guess plaintext garbage is big-endian.
Oy! Mum's the word, old chap, don't go blabbing to the Yanks, or they'll be removing it faster than a Londoner can say "cheerio"!
Sorry
Ya put it in the bin
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