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Summary

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is organizing grassroots events to oppose Trump’s policies, arguing that “Trumpism does not believe in democracy.”

In an op-ed, Sanders criticized Trump’s ties to Elon Musk, federal budget cuts, and media influence, warning of authoritarianism.

He cited Trump’s recent post likening himself to Napoleon and accused him of disregarding the rule of law.

The White House dismissed Sanders’ concerns, accusing Democrats of authoritarian tactics.

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[–] NotLemming@lemm.ee 3 points 21 hours ago

Authoritarian tactics is extremely vague. I wonder if they could name one of those tactics? Could they point out one dictator in history and criticise them? Explain why they're different? Doubtful.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 92 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"The White House dismissed Sanders’ concerns, accusing Democrats of authoritarian tactics."

They never fail to put the P in GOP, good ol' fucking Projection.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As long as those that voted for Trump continue to lap up whatever he says it doesn't matter what's true. We're now just in 1984 doublespeak, where for the media, profit is more important than the truth, because really capitalism has driven us off the cliff straight into fascism

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 9 points 1 day ago

We have the doublespeak and the two minutes hate: Fox news and right wing social media.

[–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.

This is known.

[–] Bieren@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago (2 children)

No shit. The talking Cheeto is quoting napoleon and calling himself king

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 day ago

Then goes off saying democrats are using authoritarian tactics lol

came to say this.

[–] teri@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Wasn't that obvious at very latest 4 years ago?

[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It must be repeated and repeated and repeated and repeated and repeated until the message gets through their thick stubborn skulls. It's how MAGA indoctrinated them in the first place and the only way to deprogram them.

[–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sadly they are as likely to believe the dems as much as the dems will believe the reps. The only way the magats will come to believe is when each and every single one of them start to suffer, until then it is "someone else that is being hurt, not me!" Once it finally comes home they will see, but by then it may be too late.

[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you keep repeating something over and over again people on average are more likely to believe it, especially if it's multiple people all repeating the same point. It's part of social psychology: conformity and is the basis of psychological warfare.

Bannon and Cambridge Analytica used this to great effect via social media. Now the bosses of social media have fallen in line behind trump, this message and similar ones MUST be repeated.

This isn't a debate where whomever has the best standing with the audience or the best argument will win.

This is a shouting contest.

Every 10 second lie they spout will take 1 minute to debunk. The only way to win is to repeatedly shout a 10 second retort, finishing with "read this!" and SHOVE a list of evidence in their face.

They won't look at the list for the first two dozen times, but by the third or fourth dozen they'll take a look, that's all we can do via the soap box.

[–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

I didn't poo-poo the idea, it is just going to take a lot of effort to get through to them. Please, keep trying, all of you (I will be dealing with something similar as a "Temu Trump" is trying to run/ruin our country as well and he has the 3 word method down, good thing Trudeau is gone and will hopefully be replaced by someone I can support).

It is just infuriating every time I check r/republican and they are stating Trumps words as fact though they have already seen that is not the case, hence why I said they would each need to suffer to see this. "Fuck you, got mine" is very prevalent down there and to a lesser degree up here as well. (I check every so often to see just how insane it is getting over there)

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 day ago (21 children)

How is this helping? Sanders is doing something. What is your snark achieving?

[–] teri@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 day ago

I simply wonder what's happening and expressing my frustration.

No question - it's good he is mobilizing people. Organization is key, and to me it looks like it's currently lacking. I really hope Sanders can change this.

It has been damn obvious and yet way too many people voted Trump. And, come on, it was clear Elon would be there as well. From outside the US it's hard to understand why. It leaves me with two explanations, both of which I don't like: either people were misinformed and/or did not understand what is going on, or they did really want it.

Maybe you can help me understand.

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[–] Fishytricks@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not to the MAGA-nation. Or maybe they are aware and just flat out supporting it. Not sure which is worst. Hm.

[–] teri@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 day ago

I bet that what we see here is partly the work of the worlds largest propaganda machine. I'd like to believe that misinformation was the reason for them supporting Trump. So yes, properly informing people could help. But I'm worried that the Trumpian shit-show clogged some brains. What to believe in a world made of "fake news"?

[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Bernie is completely right here.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well yes, but actually no.

First of all, don't get me wrong: I'm saying this as a massive fan of Sanders, and someone who thinks he is way more on-the-ball about the current situation than pretty much any other non-Republican nationally-significant politician (except maybe for AOC).

That said, even he is still partially in denial/massively understating the problem/playing catch-up. Trumpism doesn't just "not believe" in democracy, it is acting on that belief right now to destroy it. When the attack is already in progress, you don't say "Trump doesn't believe in democracy," you say "Trump is destroying democracy."

[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 19 hours ago

Thank you. I can’t believe libels are falling for this nonsense. Even in his sternly worded speeches he’s not describing the threat accurately. He’s underestimating it.

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