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[–] medusadeluxe@lemm.ee 19 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Now that Reddit sucks, this app is sure to take off. I’ve been banned for 3 days, but you best believe when I’m back I’m going to be recommending this app to people.

[–] AnonomousWolf@lemm.ee 7 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Checkout https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/fedibridge it's commited to helping guide people to Lemmy.

I like to use something like


Try out the European-Hosted Reddit alternative called Lemmy, https://phtn.app/

It also has a mobile app: https://vger.app/settings/install


To guide people.

[–] AnonomousWolf@lemm.ee 122 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (14 children)

Aaaand it's gone, and I've been banned from the sub.

got 80,000 views and 1300 upvotes before is disappeared though, so I see that as a win, I'm sure a few people signed up.

To be fair, I was spamming should have read the rules better, a warning would have been nice.

[–] Retropunk64@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago

There's no warnings under fascism. Just swift and silent executions.

[–] TheHalifaxJones@lemm.ee 3 points 10 hours ago

I signed up!

[–] Gbbrl@feddit.uk 6 points 13 hours ago

Will add to the presumably long list, I signed up because of the post.

[–] totallyNotARedditor@lemm.ee 48 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I'm here because of that post lol

[–] beanstalk@lemm.ee 15 points 14 hours ago
[–] cm0002@lemmy.cafe 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Welcome! We've got memes on deck at !memes@lemmy.world and if you're a programmer of some kinds we got !programmer_humor@programming.dev to scratch that itch and be sure to drop a shit(post) off at !lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world or if you want SCIENCE and memes head over to the wonderful !science_memes@mander.xyz or if you just want regular SCIENCE mander.xyz is full of sciency comms like !science@mander.xyz and !astronomy@mander.xyz . !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone is also nice this time of year, but you'll have to post before you can leave.

We're not without our cons though, biggest problem we have are probably the Tankies, but here they're mostly on the Tankie Triad lemmy.ml, lemmygrad and hexbear. For most instances you only have to worry about .ml, but on Lemmy you can do a personal instance wide block if you'd rather just not deal with them. If you want to see what they get up to from a safe distant check !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works

[–] totallyNotARedditor@lemm.ee 8 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (6 children)

Wait. I'm too new to understand the second part of this. What are Tankies? What's up with the .ml instance? Is the meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works like an observatory of .ml shenanigans? Sorry, I'm honestly out of the loop

Edit: interesting responses. Thank you all for your input! :)

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 hours ago

Tankies are people who play apologetics for authoritarian dictators who have claimed to be socialist or communist, and who will often excuse any action in opposition to "the west".

More formally, they're the cathartic branch of Marxist-Leninists (MLs). Lemmy's a small space, and it's a place that many MLs landed after bouncing off of Reddit, and the core developers count themselves as MLs.

The flagship Lemmy server is lemmy.ml, but the Tankie trolls have their own server, lemmygrad.ml where they go and be all 4chan-like.

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 2 points 10 hours ago

Tankies are authoritarian leftists, basically soviet union style communists.

Also, you can link to communities with whats called "bang notation": !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works - this is like the r/ on reddit.

[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

There's a diagram that illustrates this pretty well:

Is the meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works like an observatory of .ml shenanigans?

Yes, it was started as an observatory of lemmygrad.ml, but it's also relevant to lemmy.ml and hexbear.net (the Tankie triad). There are also !tankiejerk@lemmy.world, which just focuses on all kinds of tankies from all instances, !fediverse_vs_disinfo@lemmy.dbzer0.com, which focuses on disinformation (again, from all instances) and !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com, which focuses on moderator overreach (for all instances). It's also the official, approved and recommended way of complaining about mod action here on lemmy.dbzer0.com.

[–] GoldenCow@lemm.ee -1 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

what political theorist created this? or is it just a random meme sourced from a dream?

[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

It originated somewhere here on Lemmy, can't find the original post, only a comment that references it: https://lemmy.zip/comment/10082020 (I know that this is not the original post/comment, because that commenter is on lemmy.zip, so they can't upload media to lemmy.dbzer0.com's pictrs instance)

I'm not saying this is a fact, or anything scientific (I'm sorry if it appeared that way), but I personally find it pretty accurate, and many people here agree

[–] GoldenCow@lemm.ee -5 points 12 hours ago

interesting i personally find it pretty inaccurate as is the case with all statements based on personal anecdote when you examine the material actions and political theory of your so-called tankies you can that your meme is just that

[–] ping@lemm.ee 2 points 13 hours ago

No political theorist. It’s a meme based on horseshoe theory, which is discredited by academics.

[–] zod000@lemmy.ml 4 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Some instances have their own political leanings that can affect content and moderation. The "Tankies" referred to in the previous post tend to be Russia/China supportive anti-capitalist posters. Not everyone on those instances leans that way (I don't), but some instances don't federate with those three, especially lemmygrad and hexbears, because of it. You can also individually block instances if you personally don't want to see their stuff. On the whole, you probably don't need to worry about it, but if it becomes annoying you have the option.

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

tankie is what lemmy libs call anyone to the left of them on foreign policy, ie supporting palestine = tankie and then they just make up shit to vaguepost about.

[–] totallyNotARedditor@lemm.ee 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Interesting. I see your account is from .ml. Any particular reason you created on that instance? I literally picked the first one that was recommended and I'm still checking out how all of this works :)

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

I'm an anarchist, I like getting both sides of geopolitics news and they federate pretty broadly. After I got banned from reddit I landed on .ml because it could see all the major communist/anarchist instances and was first in line for updates as it's being run by the developers of lemmy.

Hexbear has an active trans community + associated matrix groups so I've been spending more time there specifically since they defederated last month due to domain ownership issues.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.cafe 0 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (3 children)

Tankies are authoritarian communists, basically places like Russia and China can do no wrong in their eyes no matter how well supported said fact is. They don't even recognize they nor NK are dictatorships. Basically if you say anything negative about those governments on .ml it'll get removed and you possibly banned

.ml is part of the Triad of instances that they hide out in, the others hex and grad are much more on your face about it, but .ml is more subtle about it tending to just remove non-Tankie view points via mod/admin action and a lot of the official support comms are on there as well because the main devs are also Tankies.

I actually have to use this account to talk about them now to new users now because this accounts instance defed's from them, otherwise they'll just brigade posts and comments about them LMAO my main is @cm0002@lemmy.world

Reddit also has tankies, but there was just so many other users they kinda disappeared into the sea lol

Yea that's what !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works is, some of it is serious documentation work, some venting and a couple memes

Sorry to just dump this on you, but encountering a Tankie without warning is rather...jarring lmao

[–] totallyNotARedditor@lemm.ee 3 points 13 hours ago

Thanks for all the info! This is super interesting!

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 2 points 13 hours ago

Sorry to just dump this on you, but encountering a Tankie without warning is rather…jarring lmao

try going outside more lmao

[–] GoldenCow@lemm.ee -2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Since you are so knowledgeable about China and North Korea could you explain the structure of their government?

For anyone curious here are two short articles outlining the political structure:

China

North Korea

The Chinese people trust their government and are able to directly shape it's policy and directly elect their representatives

China does have elections, and for genuine representation, no lobbying or canvassing is allowed.

Following the precepts of democratic elections, “In accordance with the principles of universal suffrage, equal rights, multiple candidates, and secret ballot”, deputies to people’s congresses at the township and county levels are elected by the Chinese people.

These representatives, the deputies closest to the public, make up 94% of the national total, and are entrusted with electing the higher-level representatives. The deputies to people’s congresses at the level of townships and counties elect deputies to people’s congresses of cities; they, in turn, elect deputies at the provincial level, who elect deputies at the national level.

From these grassroots onward, in China, it is meritocracy all the way. Decades of practical experience, usually with increasingly large populations, ensures progressively greater competence, as candidates get the top jobs that require such capacity.

Communist Party of China [...] in 2020, when the draft of its 14th Five-Year Plan (from 2021 to 2025) was submitted to public consultation online for the first time. The general public was able to participate in planning its own social and economic development, making more than a million suggestions from August 16 to 29, 2020, from which over 1,000 opinions and suggestions were incorporated.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.cafe 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

And there we go, one link direct from the Chinese gov, I'm sure that can be absolutely trusted

And one link from a random substack, not like anyone can start a substack and write anything in it or anything LMAO

[–] GoldenCow@lemm.ee -3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

For someone that is engaging in a logical fallacy of appealing to purity with regard to source, where is your source on the political structure of either country?

The substack has listed sources for the information cited, did you see that? They are historical studies and documentaries produced by third parties. I'm curious if you can even find a western-biased source that disputes the factual description of how China's government is structured as described in the link.

What about the Edelman Trust Barometer?

https://www.edelman.com/sites/g/files/aatuss191/files/2025-01/2025%20Edelman%20Trust%20Barometer%20Global%20Report_01.23.25.pdf

https://www.edelman.com/about-us

Clearly the people of China trust their government and since you have yet to provide a source explaining how their government is organized we can only go with my source which clearly indicated that there is direct democracy

[–] cm0002@lemmy.cafe 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Edelman is a global communications firm that partners with businesses and organizations to evolve, promote and protect their brands and reputations.​ 

Sounds like they don't care about the truth, only making whatever their clients want to be "presentable"/accepted and how much they get paid for it.

Clearly the people of China trust their government and since you have yet to provide a source explaining how their government is organized we can only go with my source which clearly indicated that there is direct democracy

And you're operating without understanding the historical reasons for it. For the Chinese people the CCP is leagues better than what came before. What came before the CCP was....quite bad. So from their POV and objectively, yes the CCP is pretty decent for the Chinese people as they would sacrifice things like freedom of speech because of the stability the CCP provides.

But what's good for them does not automatically translate to good for the world, especially in countries where basic human rights have been somewhat enjoyed to varying degrees

[–] Retropunk64@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

"Better than what became before" is not the same as good. Just saying.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.cafe -1 points 6 hours ago

Well yea, but one of the favored line of arguments is the "The CCP has a 95% approval rating!", which is probably true, but there's a good reason for it. And you know I don't blame the Chinese people one bit, if all I and my parents had known was death and famine and an authoritarian government came in and brought stability and prosperity for the first time in generations, id look the other way on a ton of things too

[–] thickertoofan@lemm.ee 2 points 13 hours ago
[–] AstralPath@lemmy.ca 3 points 14 hours ago
[–] qaz@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago
[–] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 16 hours ago

Username checks out

[–] mmddmm@lemm.ee 35 points 1 day ago

Banned from r/BuyFomEU due to excessive promotion...

How are people supposed to behave on that sub?

[–] Tablaste@linux.community 41 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"excessive promotion", right.

You're doing great work.

[–] AizawaC47@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago

No… you are doing an amazing job. Like that’s wild and absolutely phenomenal!

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[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 74 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

So much talk about duplicate communities, which is just so weird to me, seeing as reddit also constantly has duplicate communities despite being centralized :D which one the main one is also sometimes changes based on events/drama

Seems to me just people being resistant to change just because it's change.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 11 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I remember duplicate communities seemed like it would be a problem, until you experience it and realise it's actually a feature of the fediverse.

I was just so used to the centralised mentality. I honestly have a hard time putting myself back in that headspace…

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 hours ago

Thank you!

It doesn't take that many people to create an active forum. It takes even fewer to make for an active sub-forum. And it's so easy to pull in content from elsewhere here if you want to discuss it with your little group.

The push towards centralizing Lemmy has always seemed like an artifact of people not actually wanting to leave Reddit, but drawing a line in the sand anyway.

[–] maplebar@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Duplicate communities are a good thing anyway.

It's crazy that on Reddit a community can get hijacked by some fucking weirdo who has control of things basically forever.

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