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Is anyone here aware of some alternatives to mentioned instant messaging applications ? Alot of people keep mentioning Signal , however since it is US based I am not going to entertain it as a possibility.

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[โ€“] doodledup@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Why does it matter that Signal is US based? They don't get any of your data. And you don't have to donate if you don't want to.

[โ€“] ThatOneSin@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

I agree. If anything, Signal was made to circumvent government spying. So it's ANTI-US Gov.

[โ€“] Evotech@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I agree, in all for buying European, but you don't have to buy signal

[โ€“] nodiratime@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I keep donating. As I do for the FSF, the EFF etc.

Everything not-nonprofit? Boycotted.

I think schildichat on matrix is a good alternative the app is developed by a German guy and matrix is decentralized as the fediverse you can have your own server or join a mass server.

The big inconvenience with the EU alternatives, is that I donโ€™t know a single soul who use them.

Here is a nice overview of the most common messenger:

https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html

[โ€“] Gieselbrecht@feddit.org 5 points 1 year ago

Threema is swiss

[โ€“] fieryhamster@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Try out the either Element or Fluffychat. Both based on decentralized, privacy, and security. Both based on Matrix. I like Fluffychat for ease of use and itโ€™s on all devices. Plus you have to verify every device that signs in or that new device can not see previous chats as they stay encrypted.

[โ€“] troed@fedia.io 7 points 1 year ago

It's not just "based on". Element and Fluffychat are two clients that use Matrix and are fully interoperable.

(I'm sure you know, but I'm not sure it's obvious for potential newcomers)

[โ€“] doodledup@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Matrix is terrible for privacy. It shares more metadata with the servers than any other messenger.

[โ€“] troed@fedia.io 1 points 1 year ago (32 children)

From which year is that claim?

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[โ€“] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wait, what's wrong with signal?

[โ€“] Bondar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[โ€“] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's serverless though, right? The messages aren't stored in any of signal's servers? Or am I mistaken?

It's also open source, so it would be possible just to fork and use a "European" version of it. Also, since it's open source, it's free to use, so no money actually goes to on American company by using it.

[โ€“] adbenitez@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Itโ€™s serverless though, right?

no, and in fact the cost of running it is really high because the server infrastructure they need to pay, they even say it themselves "Signal is expensive" https://signal.org/blog/signal-is-expensive/

it would be possible just to fork and use a โ€œEuropeanโ€ version of it

in theory yes, in practice no one has done it, and then you should not use Signal but the european fork which will not be compatible/federated with signal

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[โ€“] BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[โ€“] Bondar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That is great Comparison.. thanks alot.

[โ€“] fieryhamster@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I do like the idea behind it. However, it is extremely buggy and freezes on iOS. It is extremely convoluted to add multiple devices as for now they can't be on same profile. And to top it oof, it does not seem to have a working export database feature for now.

When they fix those issues I do feel it has a great chance to take over.

[โ€“] BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The truth is I havent had much experience with it (well, didnt convince anyone to try it with๐Ÿ˜†), especially with iphones.

May I ask, does the export not work on iphone? It seemed to be working on my android.

[โ€“] fieryhamster@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

It gets stuck on create passphrase to export. Even after re-install and an attempt with a new profile on the iPad.

[โ€“] adbenitez@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

take a look at ArcaneChat https://arcanechat.me/

[โ€“] Jagget@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Delta Chat! Mostly Germany based, email protocol PGP encrypted messenger

[โ€“] LilaOrchideen@feddit.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[โ€“] vesi@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I've been using SimpleX, and I like it a lot. Very polished and reliable. The company is registered in the UK.

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