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In a court filing, the companies argue that social media companies “caused an unprecedented increase in thefts.” The cars being stolen didn’t have basic anti-theft technology.


Kia and Hyundai say it is not their fault that their cars are being stolen in an unprecedented theft surge made possible by the vehicles lacking a basic anti-theft technology virtually every other car has, according to a recent court filing. Instead, the companies point the finger at social media companies, such as TikTok and Instagram, where instructions on how to steal the cars have been widely shared and thieves show off their stolen cars.

The lawyers representing the two corporations—which are owned by the same parent company—are not subtle about this argument. The filing—in which the company is arguing a roughly $200 million class-action settlement ought to be approved by the court—includes an entire section heading titled “Social Media and Intervening Third-Party Criminals Caused An Unprecedented Increase In Thefts.” The lawyers argue in that section that because Kia and Hyundai vehicles have “not been the subject of significant theft” before the Kia Boys social media trend, social media and the people who steal the cars—and not the car companies—are to blame for the thefts. This argument is summarized in the section titled “Social Media Incited Unprecedented Rise In Thefts.” The filing broadly reflects both the public communications strategy Kia and Hyundai have used throughout this crisis and some of the national news headlines that have covered the story,

Kia, Hyundai, TikTok, and Instagram all either declined to comment or didn’t respond to a request for comment by publication time.

When Hyundai announced the release of a software upgrade that would kill the engine if someone tries to start it without first disabling the car alarm by unlocking the car in February, it specifically mentioned “TikTok and other social media channels” in its press release. Kia also frequently uses the phrase “recently popularized on social media” in its statements to the press on the theft surge. TikTok has previously referred Motherboard to its community guidelines about “promotion of criminal activities that may harm people, animals, or property.”

Kia and Hyundai also argue that the engine immobilizer cannot be the key factor in theft rates because “among” the most stolen vehicles in 2022 according to the National Insurance Crime Bureau is the 2021 Toyota Camry which has an immobilizer. However, this ignores that the most stolen vehicles that year were Chevy and Ford pickups, which are also the most popular vehicles in the country, followed by the Honda Civic and the Honda Accord, and all of the most popular models stolen are older cars which predate immobilizer installation. The fifth through seventh on the most stolen vehicles list, which the NICB notes are all new to the top 10 list last year, are the Hyundai Sonata and Elantra. Furthermore, Kia and Hyundai are being sued specifically by cities where the theft trends are most prevalent, whereas NICB data is not that granular and only goes down to the state level.

Still, the legal argument encapsulates that the theft trend is not due to any one factor. In a motion to dismiss the lawsuit filed by 17 cities against Kia and Hyundai, the companies also argue this is also the cities’ fault for failing to arrest and prosecute the thieves. All of these things can be true, of course, but the basic fact remains that the cars being stolen are Kias and Hyundais because they are easy to steal, and they are easy to steal because Kia and Hyundai chose not to install a cheap part that virtually every other car sold in America had.


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[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 60 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And once again we find the massive flaw in security by obscurity and to a lesser extent why the invisible hand of the market will solve all problems is bullshit.

TikTok, and Instagram didn't create the vehicles that were so easy to steal. Kia and Hyundai did by saving ~$20 by not including the immobilizer in the US while it was standard in the same models in other markets, where it has been required by law for decades.

So there are two groups at fault, Kia and Hyundai USA for nickle and diming their customers on equipment that was standard elsewhere and those less regulations is always good evangelists in the USA as the hand of the market, without the regulation standard in the rest of the west is the cause of this spate of easy to steal cars.

All TikTok, and Instagram did was allow information to be widely known.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

It's also something we should admonish severely...

Blaming free information for your problems would be like Sam Bankmsnfreid blaming Coffeezilla that he's in jail. Sucks to suck. Own your shittiness or be known as shitty.

[–] krellor@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree with the sentiment, but it might be more accurate to say that this is caused by laissez-faire economics rather than invisible hand proponents.

Invisible hand just argues that individuals in the economy, acting in their own self interest, can create a net positive when taken together. E.g., a farmers market has many good to purchase and trade, not through coordinated effort, but self interest of each farmer in growing their crops and bringing them to market for sale and trade. The original treatment doesn't discuss regulation, but rather the outcomes of individual actors.

Laissez-faire economics is really a pretty pernicious thing that will steal any idea in support of itself. Likewise, laissez-faire economics is more directly a public policy position that many other economic concepts since it directly argues against government intervention in markets. Personally, I'm for strongly regulated markets because I believe in decentralized decision making being efficient and supporting individual freedoms while also preventing negative externalities, and protecting individuals. I also believe that governments should provide strong social safety nets so as to incentive appropriate risk taking in the market. Meaning people are more likely to start a small business if they don't have to worry about starving in the winter or medical care.

Thank you for attending my TED talk.

[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Thanks for spending the time on this.

[–] rhacer@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are two problems here I'm unsure which is worse.

  1. Car companies and the owners of those cars being blamed for criminals stealing. We don't blame victims, we blame perpetrators.

  2. Car companies blaming free speech for exposing their faulty security.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Negligence is punishable. If most other companies do X with their cars and you don't, and that leads to bad thing Y, then you can be held responsible to some degree.

[–] rhacer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wrote a snarky response then thought better of it.

Would you care to explain exactly who was being negligent and how they were being negligent?

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Not having anti theft technology that is industry standard. That they themselves add for other markets. That goes beyond just ignorance.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"It's their fault our cars have shitty security!"

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"If governments would just censor the entire internet people wouldn't learn about our horrific greed, negligence, and incompetence"

[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

"TikTok stopped us from putting immobilizers in our cars to save money"

  • Kia and Hyundai, probably
[–] Tosti@feddit.nl 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

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[–] joe@lemmy.today 3 points 1 year ago

My brother in Christ you made the cars

[–] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Last sentence: America is different from the USA. Thank you Vice.com

[–] Polar@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well everyone in North America calls the USA America.

I'm Canadian. If we say America, we mean the USA. If we say Americans, we mean people who live in the USA.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Corky and the Juice Pigs even wrote a song about it, mocking those of us to the south of you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNJwIuNq-Fo

[–] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

And half of the continent declares itself American without identifying with North America, weather you want it or not.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No it’s not.

North America is different from the USA. Like most of the world, a two continent model is used that seperate the Americas. There is no singular “America” beside the United States of America.

[–] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Veyrt US centered point of view my friend

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

And yet I live in Australia.

Just because Spanish/Portuguese speakers like to combine the continents into one, doesn’t mean it’s we have to do that as well.

[–] debounced@kbin.run 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

and who do they blame for their cars constantly getting recalled for bursting into flames?

[–] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

It's kinda weird that these things only happen certain corrupt countries, where laws are made by people who can afford yachts.
You can't steal ha Hyundai with a lego fugurine in europe, because there are certain safety standards they have to oblige to.