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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by instantnudel@feddit.org to c/buyfromeu@feddit.org

Hey! I know Proton is from the Europe. I already use thier services since many years. But I want to switch from them because of years full of disappointment. Empty Promises for me as a Linux user and also thier recent exit from the Fediverse and the CEOs Political View on Trump. I just don't really trust them anymore. Thats a personal choice and I do not want to discuss this here.

Im looking for alternatives now that are also from the EU and have similar or even better Privacy.

My biggest problem is Proton Pass probally. Because Bitwarden is from USA and also I love the Alias Feature so I would need a new Alias Service from the EU.

For Mail I will simply try Tuta. VPN I already use Mullvad.

So second Problem would be the Drive. Do you have nice solutions for an good cloud provider to save and share files?

Thanks in Advance :)

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[-] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 24 points 2 years ago

Proton is not from the EU, it is Swiss.

[-] instantnudel@feddit.org 11 points 2 years ago
[-] ueeu@social.vivaldi.net 22 points 2 years ago

@instantnudel

For Drive:

https://www.infomaniak.com/en/kdrive ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ญ
https://koofr.eu/ ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฎ
https://internxt.com/ ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡ธ
https://tresorit.com/ ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ญ
https://jottacloud.com/ ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ด
PCloud ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ญ(https://landing.pcloud.com/WorldBackupDay2025 -> promotion lifetime account -50% till March 31)
https://murena.com/workspace/ ๐Ÿ‡ซ๐Ÿ‡ท
https://www.leviia.com/en/leviia-drive/ ๐Ÿ‡ซ๐Ÿ‡ท

Many options! ๐Ÿ™‚

[-] SchwertImStein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago

wow, thanks, I'll totally consider the PCloud

[-] Rogue@feddit.uk 4 points 2 years ago

I've been using pCloud for years and it's superb.

On a technical level or works exactly how I want a cloud drive to function - only downloads and stores files locally when necessary.

Local cache size can be adjusted so if you work with large files you can increase it.

UI is intuitive

Linux client works without issue, even on immutable OS (Project Bluefin).

Fantastic value for money. I purchased a lifetime subscription and it has already paid for itself compared to annual pricing.

Only negative I have is although there is a open source headless Linux CLI client to work with remote servers it hasn't been updated in a while and doesn't support 2 factor authentication. https://github.com/pcloudcom/console-client

I was able to work around this by creating a second free account without 2fa and "sharing" the directories I needed.

[-] rosco385@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Great list! I've been mulling my options since the comments from Proton's CEO, and I'll probably be switching to kdrive.

[-] Pirata@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Hey!

For storage/note taking I use Filen.io (German), pretty cool and affordable. Have no complaints, and they have a Linux native app also.

[-] Snoopy@piefed.social 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Nextcloud

You can check https://chatons.org/ it's a french collective of alternative hoster that offer lots free software service. They offer nextcloud, mail and password manager i think.

It would be great to see those initiative as chatons spread to the european union :)

Another alternative, if you have the technical skill and time : selfhosting nextcloud.

[-] p_kanarinac@retrolemmy.com 12 points 2 years ago

I like Filen. German, simple UI, easy to use, 10 GB free storage.

[-] j_j@muenchen.social 2 points 2 years ago

@p_kanarinac
Do you know more about filen? Is this some standard protocol? Is everything open-source or just the clients? Does it have a solid userbase?

It's tempting to try their free tier, but if the company disappears half a way into the future, it's not worth the effort.

I use Seafile with paid hosting, Snycthing, and nextcloud. I'm tempted to try Ente for photos....

@instantnudel

[-] p_kanarinac@retrolemmy.com 4 points 2 years ago

Honestly, this is past my expertise, I just know I like it. :) But I make sure to store stuff on physical media as well, I don't trust any service that much.

[-] cooligula@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago

I use kDrive from Infomaniak (their email and calendar/tasks aswell). It's not E2EE, but depending on the plan, you get access to webDAV and can use rclone/crypt and encrypt your data yourself if E2EE is important to you. If not, they offer a 1TB plan for 1,9โ‚ฌ/month but without WebDAV capabilities. Besides, they are privacy friendly and their transparency and use of open source clients/tools makes me trust them very much. They are also very environment friendly. I have been using them for more than a year and couldn't be happier. Btw, I am not associated with them in any way.

[-] turtl@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago

Mailbox.org and filen.io

[-] einsfuenfzigbreit@feddit.org 8 points 2 years ago
  • for Storage: Hetzner Nextcloud: 1TB for 5โ‚ฌ/month , 5TB for 17โ‚ฌ/month
  • Bitwarden offers servers in the EU and is open source, alternatively there is 1Password (canadian) for 2,65โ‚ฌ/month with a yearly subscription
  • for mail posteo.de (1โ‚ฌ/month for 2GB mailbox with 2 alias adresses included)
[-] Kornblumenratte@feddit.org 6 points 2 years ago

If you're using linux and are not averse to using command line tools, there is pass (https://www.passwordstore.org/) โ€“ a password manager using just standard unix tools, storing your passwords locally as gpg encrypted files. On android I use it with termux. Works like a charm, and can be easily synchronized using any file synchronizing tool of your choice.

[-] Kelsier@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

For drive I'm going with Filen, they have very affordable lifetime plans that you can use with subscription if needed. It also works as a Google photos replacement but I'm looking for a better replacement for that (immitch probably). I'm also planning to use multiple services to use free tiers across them. No need to put everything on the same basket.

For pass I use 1password still, couldn't find an alternative that I liked.

[-] kyle@europe.pub 5 points 2 years ago

Before I switched to using Proton Pass I was using keepass and storing my database file on my cloud drive so that I could access it from my phone. The integration wasnโ€™t as good as Proton Pass, but I was in full control of my passwords database.

[-] j_j@muenchen.social 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

@instantnudel
Bitwarden is from the us, but #Vaultwarden is open-source and you can find a European hoster.

[-] alfredon996@feddit.it 4 points 2 years ago

I've heard good things about pCloud

[-] EUExplorer@feddit.org 4 points 2 years ago

Pass replacement: 1Password is from Canada. Has worked great for me for many years.

[-] ottersarecute@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Hey there! I have similar thoughts, so I cancelled my plan to upgrade to Proton premium. I will still use their email (for less sensitive lists, job applications, etc). For storage, I chose Filen (Germany). For main mail and calendar, Tuta. I'm still looking for a BitWarden alternative myself.

[-] deoliveira@feddit.org 4 points 2 years ago

I use Infomaniak from Switzerland, it's not privacy focus, but it's the closer to a gmail type of service. It comes with a full suit of apps and it's free.

[-] sk1d@linux.community 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

While Bitwarden's Company is based in USA Bitwarden is fully Open-Source and you have the Option to Choose from US and EU servers, technically you can even host it on your own. So depending on how strict you are with the no US product policy this could still be an option. (actually Bitwarden is even listed on the european-alternatives website)

Here also the full list of Password Managers of the European-Alternatives website:

Padloc - Germany - Open Source

Proton Pass - Switzerland - Open Source (well you want to switch away from it, but listing it just for the sake to list every password manager of the EU Alternatives website)

Passbolt - Luxembourg - Open Source

pCloud Pass - Switzerland

heylogin - Germany

Hypervault - Belgium

Password Depot - Germany

uniqkey - Denmark (also useless to list it because it is focused for Companys)

Bitwarden - USA (it's still listed because you can self-host it) - Open Source

Edit; Formating and Typo

[-] jlow@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago

How much is Proton Drive? You can get a TB storage with Netcloud from Hetzner for 5โ‚ฌ / month, which is quite the deal esp of you have a few friends to share the costs.

[-] Noble_bacon@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

This is a great deal, but the files are not encrypted and Nextcloud's encryption plugin is wonky.

Just something to have in mind...

[-] jlow@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, that's true, I think you should be able to turn on encryption but my friends overvoted me on that one. I've heard that the encryption is wonky as well, though.

[-] scotmartin@feddit.org 1 points 2 years ago

I second this.

[-] chmod755@feddit.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I use all-inkl.com, you can choose any domain and install Nextcloud there with a click. I can help you setting it up if you want.

[-] nickdc1987@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Mind out with Tuta. I had my account with them hacked and I completely lost access to it.

[-] dieTasse@feddit.org 1 points 2 years ago

Hot take: keep proton pass, if there is nothing comparable, and use alternatives for everything else.

[-] uberloss@szmer.info 1 points 1 month ago

NordVPN NordLocker NordPass from Lithuania

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